Fantasmic!

[FLEX95]

The pro's and con's of disneyland's fantasmic.

Con's:
1. The disneyland version of fantasmic is to short and hardly gives the audience a chance to really get the show or favor it.

2. The ending where mickey kills the dragon is way to short.

3. Not very good seating (i would sit than stand after a whole day at the park)

4. The show has many problems ( alot of times the show most be canceled or has to be started all over again due to glithes in the show that is also due to all those updates and not only that but it kinda messes up the magic.

5. The extra long ursula scene is not so good (ursula is not such a big villian compared to the other villains)

6. The stage is not so cool when it has a shack in the middle of mickeys dream.

7. The villians are not very evil.

Pro's

1. The amazing hd waterscreens

2. It was the first fantasmic ever created.

3.the ending of the show. ( when it wasent updated.)

4. Just the fact that its in disneyland.

Pros and cons of hollywood studios fantasmic:

Cons:
1. The long wait before the show.
2. The fact that the show does not play everyday anymore.
3. No updates to the show.

Pros:

1. The amazing mountain.
2.the stadium seating.
3.the finale when mickey kills the dragon
4. The finale with the fireworks and the original steamboat.
5. More villains to make the show bigger.
6. The show is longer by five minutes.

I love both shows.............they are both amazing and different in thier own ways and this is what makes both shows amazing and unique.

[PeoplemoverMatt]

Originally Posted by FLEX95

The pro's and con's of disneyland's fantasmic.

Con's:
1. The disneyland version of fantasmic is to short and hardly gives the audience a chance to really get the show or favor it.

Disneyland's Fantasmic! is approximately 26 minutes long. Hollywood Studios' Fantasmic! is approximately 27 minutes long.

Originally Posted by FLEX95

2. The ending where mickey kills the dragon is way to short.

Hollywood Studios has the same killing scene plus Mickey prancing up & down the stage.

Originally Posted by FLEX95

3. Not very good seating (i would sit than stand after a whole day at the park)

Anyone who arrives to Disneyland's Fantasmic! as early as people must for Hollywood Studios' Fantasmic! will easily get a very good seat.

Originally Posted by FLEX95

4. The show has many problems ( alot of times the show most be canceled or has to be started all over again due to glithes in the show that is also due to all those updates and not only that but it kinda messes up the magic.

I have never heard or seen Fantasmic! having to be restarted. There are missing elements from time to time, but I would attribute that to the fact that Disneyland's Fantasmic! can have a whole lot more go wrong (Columbia/Mark Twain breakdowns, etc.) than Hollywood Studios' Fantasmic! can.

Originally Posted by FLEX95

5. The extra long ursula scene is not so good (ursula is not such a big villian compared to the other villains)

So...long Ursula is not good, but short Mickey kills dragon isn't good either. Short is bad. Long is bad. What's good?

Originally Posted by FLEX95

6. The stage is not so cool when it has a shack in the middle of mickeys dream.

As opposed to a giant rock? Not sure what your point is there.

Originally Posted by FLEX95

]7. The villians are not very evil.

Hollywood Studios' Fantasmic! uses the same villans plus 5 or so more.

Originally Posted by FLEX95

Pros and cons of hollywood studios fantasmic:

Cons:
1. The long wait before the show.

Easily fixed by having more than one Fantasmic! per night, but WDW stubbornly refuses to do this. Are they afraid of possibly having a half-full stadium if they do?

Originally Posted by FLEX95

2. The fact that the show does not play everyday anymore.

And yet ticket prices to DHS just went up to $79/day.

Originally Posted by FLEX95

3. No updates to the show.

See #2.

Originally Posted by FLEX95

Pros:

2.the stadium seating.

Not a pro. Stadium seating creates the problems of long waits before the show, only one showing per night, massive herding of crowd in/out of the long walk in/out of the stadium, and taking a lot away from the magic of the show since it does not rise up inside the park.

[stevo505]

I have one thing to say, Matt... and that is:

[phd516]

I pretty much agree with Matt's entire post.
I'm not sure why you oppose the "long Ursula scene" in favor of extra villains, when those villains all really say just a sentence or two. I, for one, enjoy having the villains showcase themselves in the Disneyland version, rather than the quick intro-and-disperse version of Hollywood Studios. And I'm not sure about your statement regarding Ursula not being a big villain.. or how the villains in Disneyland aren't very evil, considering that you've got some of the top baddies in Disney animation.

As for con #4 for Disneyland's version, the show is rarely canceled. And for the amount of times it actually does get canceled, its completely overshadowed by the amount of times the show has gone through.

I'd go on, but it'd end up being a repost of Matt's, haha.

[FLEX95]

alot of people say that disneylands better but if i said that wdw version is better for any reason people would most likely say............( disneylands version is better because the fountains are bigger )...........but thats wrong because the only thing different is not how high it is but the the disneyland curves to the sides..............i dont think the fountains are better because of that...............what im trying to say is that you may think they are different but they are really the same thing..............both shows are exactly the same............people are just comparing what little thing they see different but really it makes no sence..............both shows mean the exact same thing and both shows are about going through mickeys imagination so theres really no difference.........disneyland might have hd water screens but that makes no sence eaither...........all you are going to see is a brighter image because there is no way you can see a clear image when its projected through water. the new dragon has not appeared yet but its most likely just going to have legs..............these little things are what people are considering better but it makes no sence..............both shows have the exact same meaning and presentation................thats why i love both shows and compare them eaqually as they are both amazing!!!!!!!

[stevo505]

Originally Posted by FLEX95

alot of people say that disneylands better but if i said that wdw version is better for any reason people would most likely say............( disneylands version is better because the fountains are bigger )...........but thats wrong because the only thing different is not how high it is but the the disneyland curves to the sides..............i dont think the fountains are better because of that...............what im trying to say is that you may think they are different but they are really the same thing..............both shows are exactly the same............people are just comparing what little thing they see different but really it makes no sence..............both shows mean the exact same thing and both shows are about going through mickeys imagination so theres really no difference.........disneyland might have hd water screens but that makes no sence eaither...........all you are going to see is a brighter image because there is no way you can see a clear image when its projected through water. the new dragon has not appeared yet but its most likely just going to have legs..............these little things are what people are considering better but it makes no sence..............both shows have the exact same meaning and presentation................thats why i love both shows and compare them eaqually as they are both amazing!!!!!!!

Uh.. Both shows are NOT exactly the same. Have you even seen them both? And the dragon is not just going to have legs... it's going to be fully articulated and fully 3-dimensional.

[FLEX95]

if both shows are so different than what are both shows about?................see both shows have the exact same plot............not in appearence but in plot they are the same.............yes one show may have a bigger full bodied dragon but to me that dosent make a difference because as long as both shows have the same plot there really isent a better or worse of both shows............both shows are amazing no matter how they might be presented or shown to a audience all that matters is that the plot is the same and thats all anybody should care about.........not that one has a better dragon or waterscreen but just the fact that both shows are about imagination and dreams coming true.

[Jphelps]

^ Weren't you were the one that was saying how much better you think the WDW one is.

[tomserwin]

Ok I'm finally gonna jump in on this conversation.

I'm not sure why you are so intent on trying to convince us that asthetics make no difference in a visual production; however, I am sure that there are distinct differences between DL's and WDW's versions of Fantasmic!

And I know that personally I much prefer Disneyland's version. Inspite of it's stadium, WDW's version is less interesting to me. I don't like it's added focus on Pocahontas or all it's additional villans. Besides DL has the Mark Twain, and I am rather partial to that riverboat.

Originally Posted by FLEX95

...both shows are amazing no matter how they might be presented or shown to a audience all that matters is that the plot is the same and thats all anybody should care about.

Umm... please don't tell us what what we may or may not care about. Everyone has the right to care about anything they please, not what others tell them to care about. Call me old fashioned but I personally care about the visual asthetics of a visual production. If you wish to put all your eggs in the plot basket then go ahead. As for me there are more considerations to weigh then just plot when it comes to Fantasmic!

[alyx92]

^ I agree. While I am partial to WDW's fantasmic, Dls is equally amazing.

...both shows are amazing no matter how they might be presented or shown to a audience all that matters is that the plot is the same and thats all anybody should care about.

I dont think thats true. If the plot is the only thing that's important, why don't they save some money and have a guy sit on stage and read you the story?
Visual effects are the core of the show. So you cant say that "the plot is all anyone should care about" because the 'other parts of the show are so important and without them, the show would fail.

[FLEX95]

well yes both shows have their differences and you are all correct with your answers but i was not talking about the pyro and other things that might or might not make one show better than the other i was talking about the plot of these both amazing shows.........the plot itself is pretty much enough to make anybody want to see the show over and over again.............right?

[stevo505]

Yes, I'll see Disneyland's over and over, but not WDW's. Seeing that version once is enough for me. In all honesty, I found there were many times when I was bored (Pocahontas segment, bubble segment, long villains segment, etc.), but I never find myself bored with Disneyland's. Disneyland's flows very well while some in WDW's just seem too long. WDW's may have a giant boulder thing, but it's just their presentation of the show that seems like it's lacking in something greatly, but I can't put my finger on what that is. Maybe it's the lack of energy coming from the performers, or maybe it's the underwhelming fireworks in the finale. I don't know. But once is enough for me for WDW's F!

The plot: Say a movie, book, or theatrical performance may have a good plot. That plot does not matter at all if the show is not conceived correctly, as Alyx and tomserwin stated. It all depends on how you present that plot to the audience to captivate them into the plot. That is just something I don't think WDW does very well with their show.

[PeoplemoverMatt]

Originally Posted by FLEX95

alot of people say that disneylands better but if i said that wdw version is better for any reason people would most likely say............( disneylands version is better because the fountains are bigger )...........but thats wrong because the only thing different is not how high it is but the the disneyland curves to the sides..............

The water fans are set up basically the same way at both Disneyland & Hollywood Studios. Three fans set up in this way: \ _ /

Originally Posted by FLEX95

i dont think the fountains are better because of that...............what im trying to say is that you may think they are different but they are really the same thing..............both shows are exactly the same............people are just comparing what little thing they see different but really it makes no sence..............both shows mean the exact same thing and both shows are about going through mickeys imagination so theres really no difference.........

You picked the shows apart in your pros & cons. How have we gone from picking the shows apart to them now being "exactly the same"?

Originally Posted by FLEX95

disneyland might have hd water screens but that makes no sence eaither...........all you are going to see is a brighter image because there is no way you can see a clear image when its projected through water.

You mentioned the HD screens in your pros/cons list as a pro. Now mentioning them makes no "sence"?

Originally Posted by FLEX95

if both shows are so different than what are both shows about?................see both shows have the exact same plot............not in appearence but in plot they are the same.............yes one show may have a bigger full bodied dragon but to me that dosent make a difference because as long as both shows have the same plot there really isent a better or worse of both shows............both shows are amazing no matter how they might be presented or shown to a audience all that matters is that the plot is the same and thats all anybody should care about.........not that one has a better dragon or waterscreen but just the fact that both shows are about imagination and dreams coming true.

Yeah, but if all we ever talked about was what the shows had in common, what would there be to discuss? Discussion stems from discussing & comparing differences as well as similarities. Can't just focus on similarities alone lest we build nothing but an echo chamber.

Originally Posted by FLEX95

well yes both shows have their differences and you are all correct with your answers but i was not talking about the pyro and other things that might or might not make one show better than the other i was talking about the plot of these both amazing shows.........the plot itself is pretty much enough to make anybody want to see the show over and over again.............right?

Not really. I don't think anyone ever watches Fantasmic! for the plot. It's more about the overall presentation. Fantasmic! combines innovative water fan projections with live on-stage entertainment, pyrotechnics, and, in Disneyland's case, tons of characters on the two very ships guests rode in just hours before the show - the Columbia & Mark Twain. People keep coming back to Fantasmic! because of the "wow!" factor.

I have no problem saying that Disneyland's Fantasmic! has a much stronger "Wow!" factor than Hollywood Studios' Fantasmic! does.

[Jphelps]

^ For the parts where you were talking about he now has the opposite opinion I completely agree.

[stevo505]

I agree, well said, Matt.