Why animal kingdom do that???

[Disneylover 4 ever]

i dont know If already u guys know it, but animal kingdom (when was under consrtuccion)They denied an opportunity to build the dueling dragons coaster that now its in IOA.The world where it was going to be constructed it was called beastly kingdom and was going to have dragons, unicorns and sea monsters but due to the low budget that makes the park plans could not be done. Instead of putting beastly kingdom they put to camp miney mickey and laid-off the imagineerings that invented beastly kingsom, but me disapoint me because instead of spending all that money in expedition E.they could have spent in a grater roller coaster .they spent 100,000,000
on Expedition E. when they can make a coaster like dueling dragon or better.

Wat do you think about that guys?

But i love that park anyway:)

Sorry if my english is to bad. Cuz im a latin boy and i get confused sometimes..hehe

[Kileli]

Well, I love EE. I know that AK was planning for a dragon-themed land, but it just didn't work out. Remember though, Disney has family parks, and those coasters are not exactly family friendly. Sure, a kid may go on one of the dragon coasters, but with all the inversions, they slightly coasterphobic would most likley choose EE over it. Plus, Disney loves putting a story line with everything, and they did it very well with EE. How would you put a story on the Dragon coasters? The dragon land didn't work out anyway, so it would be by its self. The coasters still ended up in IOA, so at least we can ride them somewhere.
(sorry if this sounds a little harsh, it is not supposed too, lol.)

[PeoplemoverMatt]

Simple reason here...Everest is a coaster without any sort of 'coaster noise' coming from it. Namely, roars of the train, screams of the guests, etc. When you're up close to Everest, you can hear it, but outside of that, not really. In a park like Animal Kingdom with a lot of animals, the coasters need to be either quiet, or very far away from them so as not to disturb them, or ruin the theme for the guests. Building an outdoor spaghetti bowl like Dueling Dragons certainly would have done that.

-- PMM

[mistymutt]

Plus, doesnt Disney like to design and build their own rides?
Dueling dragons was designed by that company in Sweden i think
Also, the seats on dueling Dragons are very restrictive and not very friendly at all to guests who are larger than average!!

[Kileli]

^ they just give the designers what they want. Vekoma designed EE and the Rock N' Rollercoaster. Bolliger & Mabillard (or B&M) made the Dragon coasters. (personally, I wish B&M had done EE, there seats are so comfy!) anyway, Arrow Dynamics built the Matterhorn, which was the first Tubular Steel track coaster, and Intamn AG made CS. So Disney has used diffrent companies, but Disney gets to say what they want over all. what if Vekoma made something similar to the Volcano: Blast Coaster, and Disney didn't get to say anything about it. WED did make BTMRR though.

all in all. Disney does not design all the rides, that's what companies like Arrow Dynamics, B&m, Vekoma, and Intamin AG are for.

[PeoplemoverMatt]

Disney orders and approves the designs from a manufacturer, such as Intamin, Vekoma, B&M etc. Then that company furishes the coaster itself, ships it to the parks where it's constructed on site.

-- PMM

[echoscot]

The noise factor is important, but consider Bush Gardens in Tampa is an animal park with a ton of noisy loud coasters and they don't seem to bother the animals. I think Disney was concerned with liability issues as well. There are certain types of attractions that create a larger liability than others.

[uscfan7690]

Originally Posted by PeoplemoverMatt

Building an outdoor spaghetti bowl like Dueling Dragons certainly would have done that.

Although they could've used the foam that they did on Silver Bullet at Knott's to make the ride itself whisper-quiet. The screams... not so much.

That said, I'm glad they didn't copy IOA. They're seperate parks with different missions. I hope to get to ride EE for myself in the coming years.

[echoscot]

Well, they wouldn't have copied IOA. They sold it to them, when they abandoned the idea. That's why it is the most awesome que line of all at IOA. Disney designed and delivered!!!!

However, because IOA is built so close to residences and a school they had to put up a sound wall because of complaints.

[ryguy222]

IDK, they don't lay off Imageineers for not using there design. If that was the case they would've laid off every Imagineer they have. They make tons of ideas and sometimes it gets close to making the cut, but because of budgets they don't come out. That is no reason to fire an Imagineer.
Also where are your sources? How do you know IOA didn't make DD? Plus a reason Disney wouldn't make that is they like theming a lot. Disney Doesn't normally make those kind of rides, thats why EE was built.

[echoscot]

Originally Posted by ryguy222

IDK, they don't lay off Imageineers for not using there design. If that was the case they would've laid off every Imagineer they have. They make tons of ideas and sometimes it gets close to making the cut, but because of budgets they don't come out. That is no reason to fire an Imagineer.
Also where are your sources? How do you know IOA didn't make DD? Plus a reason Disney wouldn't make that is they like theming a lot. Disney Doesn't normally make those kind of rides, thats why EE was built.

What are you talking about with lay offs? No one that I saw mentioned anyone getting laid off or fired....

As far as sources....Most journalists don't reveal their sources but since I am not a journalist let me tell you this much. I worked at WDW for about 25 years and was there for both DAK opening and IOA's opening. It was pretty much common knowledge inside both places how DD came to be. It was originally a Disney attraction, but got sold. IDK at what point of development it changed hands, but it started as a plan for DAK. The original logo for DAK also included the mythological dragon creature, but that was changed a year or so after the park opened. At one point in DAK's early period there was a boat ride around the Tree of Life. You went past a cave with steam coming out and some blackened suits of armor on the banks. It was pretty cool, but some guests complained that it was too gruesome, so it went away. The boat ride was otherwise pretty dull, so it is gone completely now.

And you are correct Disney does like theming, and DD is elaborately themed. It is not like any other standard coaster with a weaving queue and some spaghetti track. There is an entire story woven as you walk through an ancient castle that has been attacked, about a wizard who called forth two elemental dragons. A video at the beginning, you wander through multiple chambers of ice and fire and into the dungeons of the castle. It is extremely detailed and extraordinarily defined. When you do arrive on the coaster the fronts of each train is shaped like a dragon with eyes and teeth. And each car has shoulders down the side, so that as a suspended coaster, the guests feet become the dragon's feet.

The two coasters are usually synched and each side is different. They weave and twist over each other. Fire loops up and over ice at one point while the ice does a cobra roll. Ice hurtles towards and up the wall of the castle, which makes you feel as if you just ran up the wall yourself.

You would be surprised how many people work both places and what kinds of ideas have passed back and forth. It is kind of cool, actually.

You are also correct that Disney doesn't usually design those kinds of rides, which was also a contributing factor to their decision to move away from it.

However, if you look back in history, Walt himself implied that he didn't want roller coasters in his park. He drew comparisons to his ideas and specifically mentioned them, in his comment about a place where families can enjoy the park together without "having their bottoms dropped out from under them on a roller coaster" (It'll take me a bit to find the reference for that one, but it is there. I may have paraphrased it a bit).


Anyway, DAK is a great park and DD is a great coaster, if you have never been to or on either, you need to go....

[ryguy222]

Originally Posted by Disneylover 4 ever

and laid-off the imagineerings that invented beastly kingsom

Right there i wasn't talking to you but to him
And i have been to both parks, and on both rides, when I mean themeing i mean having it be enclosed and intricate scenery along the entire ride route. Like say Matterhorn, it doesn't have intricate scenery, but It is enclosed in ice tunnels and so on, DD is not enclosed, and a castle queue doesn't count. Yes there are a few tunnels, but look at EE, its about 60 percent enclosed, but the parts outside are heavily themed. Thats why it wouldn't work in a Disney Park. Also when i asked for a source, i didn't mean the source where reporters got there info, but an actual article that they may have written.

[echoscot]

Originally Posted by ryguy222

Right there i wasn't talking to you but to him
And i have been to both parks, and on both rides, when I mean themeing i mean having it be enclosed and intricate scenery along the entire ride route. Like say Matterhorn, it doesn't have intricate scenery, but It is enclosed in ice tunnels and so on, DD is not enclosed, and a castle queue doesn't count. Yes there are a few tunnels, but look at EE, its about 60 percent enclosed, but the parts outside are heavily themed. Thats why it wouldn't work in a Disney Park. Also when i asked for a source, i didn't mean the source where reporters got there info, but an actual article that they may have written.

No I don't have an article. I knew some of the design team for Animal Kingdom, that I talked with while the park was being developed and opened. You are correct about theming, yet even BTM is mostly outside. Which is maybe another reason they abandoned it, because it didn't fit with that. All I know was they started the idea were very keen on it, then scrapped it. Probably for many reasons.

Also, WDI was going through a bit of a shake-up and morale was difficult around then.

[ryguy222]

Yes BTMRR, is mostly outside, but look at all the scenery it has, canyons, and desert theming all around it, rock work, abandoned mine shafts, cactus's, animal skulls, all that stuff, DD has trees, a few tunnels, a castle queue and that about it. They could've expanded by making fake tundra ice lands, and fake volcanic stuff all around the coaster.

[echoscot]

True, here is a really cool article from Jim Hill Media talking about Beastly Kingdom, among other things, around the opening of IOA. There are some cool things on the drawing boards. Also he mentions the Dueling Dragons thing here, but more as if Universal acquired the concept in less than honorable means. IDK But he is also a good source of info on Disney:

http://jimhillmedia.com/blogs/jim_hi...12/31/311.aspx