Epcot Is Dying

[HMF]

Originally Posted by SWERJ321

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Also, what's wrong with changing Illuminations? It's been almost seven years, it's due for a change just as Reflections replaced the old program. And what's with it being "Old EPCOT?" It opened a full six years after the rest of the park.

Reflections Of Earth is a very emotional and spiritual. And it is very personal to me.

[makeminemusic]

Originally Posted by HMF

Reflections Of Earth is a very emotional and spiritual. And it is very personal to me.

Personally I am ready for a change..Reflections Of Earth...well I found it kinda slow to my liking.

Now as to Epcot dying...I found it interesting that my teenage daughters made a comment about Epcot when we went there last month. They have been there about 5 times in there lives, roughly 2-4 years in between each visit. Almost every time they said Epcot was best except this time. They do not like the changes made in last few years. But that could be age related

Now myself, having been there several times since it opened it was always my favorite until this trip. I now consider MGM my favorite park for an overall experience. It's not that I miss the old attractions at Epcot (which I do), but I do not feel like they have evolved enough to keep the park exciting for me. I was looking forward to seeing Soarin as it is one of my favrites at DLR, but the que left me thinking "This is not up to standards!" Nothing to look at going into the ride!!

No, I do not see Epcot dying......maybe fading a bit...but it can be brought back to it's glory if Disney leadership has the right vision for it.

[k_peek_2000]

You guys arnt even keeping in mind that Epcot is nothing like what it was meant to be. I think that if walt were alive he could of done a real Epcot and not the easyway out WAY overpriced theme park, even thought the place is amazing. I would kill to see a real experimental prototype city of tomarrow!

[Neo]

everyone might want to keep in mind that there are laws Disney World has to abide by meaning if its a prototype you probably wont ever have it in a theme park and with all the newer safety laws soon we will have seat belts on splash mountain. Some of the problems I see with todays theme parks are the restrictions we put on them when it is not really needed.

Some things are common sense people. "Dont stand up on a moving vehicle." and you shouldnt need to tell someone something more than twice. If you repeat yourself that many times and they still dont get it then most likely they never will.

LOL I think I got way off topic but I am just a lil steamed over common sense laws that dont need to be there.

[HMF]

Originally Posted by k_peek_2000

You guys arnt even keeping in mind that Epcot is nothing like what it was meant to be. I think that if walt were alive he could of done a real Epcot and not the easyway out WAY overpriced theme park, even thought the place is amazing. I would kill to see a real experimental prototype city of tomarrow!

Yes the original Epcot concept was cool but i am really glad they made Epcot Center as we know it today.

[Clotho]

I admit that I felt Epcot could have been more. More specifically, Future World. I have been to some smaller less-ambitious science museums with more interesting and hands-on exhibits. Also, I found that it looks pretty worn down when I was there. Many exhibits down or broken, worn paint...very un-Disney.

I loved World Showcase, and the newer rides were great. Most of the other attractions were a bit dated and uninteresting for me.

That said, the stuff I did like made me adore Epcot, and I will stay at Boardwalk again on my next trip so I can walk over there any time I want. :)

[roll_coast_me]

wait you guys. Walt disney didn't want an outside world park. evry time you entered on of his parks he would want you to feel like youare somewhere else.

[Magic1]

Originally Posted by roll_coast_me

wait you guys. Walt disney didn't want an outside world park. evry time you entered on of his parks he would want you to feel like youare somewhere else.

Perhaps this is why why DCA doesn't really work but I'm not really convinced that Walt didn't want an "outside world park". Working on the World's Fair projects was very influential to Walt and contributed much to Epcot's development. In DL --the only park Walt walked through-- any transportation of guests to places real (e.g. NOS) or imagined, was done in a specific context of time and place, limiting reference to outside woes.

We can't really guess what what Walt would've wanted for parks designed after his death. Perhaps TDL, DLP, and HKDL would've been completely different.

[Mr. EPCOT]

Originally Posted by Neo

everyone might want to keep in mind that there are laws Disney World has to abide by meaning if its a prototype you probably wont ever have it in a theme park and with all the newer safety laws soon we will have seat belts on splash mountain. Some of the problems I see with todays theme parks are the restrictions we put on them when it is not really needed.

Some things are common sense people. "Dont stand up on a moving vehicle." and you shouldnt need to tell someone something more than twice. If you repeat yourself that many times and they still dont get it then most likely they never will.

LOL I think I got way off topic but I am just a lil steamed over common sense laws that dont need to be there.

Well, then, you might want to keep in mind that Walt Disney World has it's very own government, known as the Reedy Creek Improvement District (www.rcid.org). The Company was given somewhat legal flexibility to be able to deal with the issues of building an Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow. Building our own nuclear power plant and experimental airport were among the many rights granted to us by the state, which are still valid today if the Company so chose to build them.

[Neo]

but the question i have is that it states this

and interface with local, regional, state and federal regulatory agencies.

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must operate in accordance with its charter and state laws governing such districts.

It is not its own government but its own "city" or "county" it must abide by state and federal laws. No place in the USofA can break federal laws and no place in the state of Florida can break Florida laws. It is how the US was built. On top of that they must integrate with local, state, and federal officials to make sure they are not breaking those laws.

[HMF]

Originally Posted by Neo

but the question i have is that it states this


and


It is not its own government but its own "city" or "county" it must abide by state and federal laws. No place in the USofA can break federal laws and no place in the state of Florida can break Florida laws. It is how the US was built. On top of that they must integrate with local, state, and federal officials to make sure they are not breaking those laws.

Well of course it applies to the laws of the United States. Its not like the Vatican which is a country within a country. Though WDW being its own country would be cool.

[Neo]

but what I am saying is that it still must abide by all safety laws for amusement parks. All of those safety laws and ADA laws for handicaps are based off both federal and state laws not city or county laws. Meaning my point is confirmed that they must abide by laws.

[DisneyParksFan]

Originally Posted by Neo

but what I am saying is that it still must abide by all safety laws for amusement parks. All of those safety laws and ADA laws for handicaps are based off both federal and state laws not city or county laws. Meaning my point is confirmed that they must abide by laws.

Yeah, and all of that would cause issues with the initially planned theme park within this working and living atmosphere.

Even if they built Epcot, it would have taken many upon many of years to complete that by the time the city was finished, it would be out dated in not only technology but probably also buildings codes and what not.


-mickey2005

[Neo]

exactly my point. Back when Walt had these ideas we didnt have safety codes and such. And the main reason I believe we have safety codes is plain old common sense. We have lap bars on space mountain so people wont stand up and that is outrageous. We dont need half the safety devices we have. sure screamin' needs the harness because it has airtime and a loop(which actually needs no harness) and ToT needs seat belts because you cant stay in your seat otherwise. But some of the rides dont need seat belts.

Sure Seat belts is my only arguement here but that is because thats one thing everyone sees. And mickey2005 has another excellent point that by the time you make this city it will be outdated. The second you buy a computer its outdated and a couple years later its obesoulete.

So far from what hear Epcot is awesome and it only needs to be updated. Epcot doesn't need nostalgia rides because as stated before its a park of the future and therefore always needs updating and newer rides.

[PeoplemoverMatt]

Originally Posted by Neo

Epcot doesn't need nostalgia rides because as stated before its a park of the future and therefore always needs updating and newer rides.

Epcot has a great place for nostalgia - World Showcase. You want nostalgia? Build it there. Personally, I'm very nostalgic about Malestrom, but that might have more to do with the fact I can't take that ride seriously for 1 second.

Future World though is like a huge Tomorrowland. It needs to be about what Walt described as the challenge and promise of the future. About what Steve Martin described as the possibilites of the future, such as going to the Moon before real astronauts back in the day. Currently we can ride Mission: SPACE and go to Mars before real astronauts do. As long as GM & Test Track stays on the cutting edge, there won't be any problem. Spaceship Earth is the perfect ride for Future World in that while it shows you the progress of the past, the point is its look to the future and understand the future in the context of the past. No room for out-of-place criticism there.

-- PMM