Epcot Is Dying

[wdwmickeyfan]

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Mulan is Chinese, not Japanese.

[Harrison Hightower III]

[Edited, please check your PMs]


HHIII

[wdwmickeyfan]

I'm not a fan of any particular resort (though you could say I was biased towards WDW at a point). Yes, Walt Disney World is a great resort and all but it is far from perfect. There are a lot of "issues" that need to be dealt with, and I'm pretty sure everybody here has been to WDW at one point or another in last few years.

By the way.... WDW is no longer by favorite resort, that title belongs to Tokyo Disney Resort. Everything there surpassed my expectations, unlike WDW.

[Harrison Hightower III]

I said it was my favorite, but mainly because its the only one I've ever been to. I also never said it was perefect I'm just saying I think you folks are to quick to jump to conclusions just because one little thing is changed!!!


HHIII

[HMF]

Originally Posted by PeoplemoverMatt

^ Unfortunately, that could easily happen. I mean if Mulan came out in 2006, you know someone would propose a new Mulan-themed attraction in Japan.-- PMM

Mulan took place in China. It will be very sad if they ruin my park with commercialism. EPCOT is one of the few things left that gives you an optimistic view of the future. Especialy in todays world. And Disney bringing in Disney charachters to narrate the rides defeats the spirit and point of EPCOT.

[PeoplemoverMatt]

HHIII - Discussion happens. No one is going to like the same things you like or I like. There's nothing wrong with people voicing their views and opinions, especially when that's the whole point of the board. If you disagree with someone's views, make it a discussion. If you think people are wrong, present your case as to why in the thread. Jumping up & down about the fact someone disagrees with you is rather unproductive.

-- PMM

[turlaach]

I think that the point of Epcot is part to entertain, part to educate. And the kids of today aren't going to be interested by just a few pretty displays that are colourful with a friendly narration. They need something they recognise the help them along the way. Like Nemo at the Living Seas, it is just a spoonful of sugar to help the medicine go down.

[Mr. EPCOT]

Originally Posted by mickey2005

A feel that the problem is that they cant really add on to Epcot because of the way the park was designed. I mean sure, they can out in a few little things here and there. But if they truly wanted to add on another major attraction, it involves the taking down of another. The pavailions were designed a little too close together to add in another major attraction without it being a little bit out the way. Now it is possible to add one in, but it could be difficult.

Believe it or not, it is the complete opposite. Epcot has the most space out of ANY park to build new attractions/pavilions. There are wide expanses of space backstage throughout most of the park. One example I like to use is that they could have built Test Track next to World of Motion with its own custom building as a supplementary experience to the Transportation pavilion. It would roughly sit where the outside loop is. It is rather unfortunate, too, that Mission: SPACE is such a dinky building, that they tore down the big, beautiful Horizons structure. There are a myriad of places they could have built SPACE without sacrificing another attraction. And if they HAD to sacrifice another pavilion, I would have opted for Wonders of Life. They could have installed the simulators into the Body Wars area, and had the rest of the pavilion for other Space exhibits and attractions. The dome even almost looks like a space colony. Although, I think Mission: SPACE itself would have been a better replacement for Alien Encounter in Tomorrowland, considering the location's history. I think the look and feel of SPACE is exactly what Tomorrowland needs.

As to the title of this thread, I think Epcot is alive and well, but EPCOT Center is murdered and dead. They have essentially built another park on top of another, at least as Future World is concerned. I would personally much rather have EPCOT Center.

Sorry, I didn't mean to ramble.

[turlaach]

The real EPCOT of course, was never built.

[HMF]

Originally Posted by turlaach

I think that the point of Epcot is part to entertain, part to educate. And the kids of today aren't going to be interested by just a few pretty displays that are colourful with a friendly narration. They need something they recognise the help them along the way. Like Nemo at the Living Seas, it is just a spoonful of sugar to help the medicine go down.

I prefer the medicene.
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[quote=ImagineerMMC]
As to the title of this thread, I think Epcot is alive and well, but EPCOT Center is murdered and dead. They have essentially built another park on top of another, at least as Future World is concerned. I would personally much rather have EPCOT Center.
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Whats the difference. I still see the name EPCOT center all over the park. EPCOT and EPCOT Center are still the same park as of right now at least.

[PeoplemoverMatt]

Maybe but neither exist technically. At the risk of repeating myself, I'll point out that the proper and official name for the park is "Epcot" (no caps).

-- PMM

[HMF]

More news on the destruction of Epcot. They are replacing Reflections of Earth with something called SKYDANCE. The name is terrible has nothing to do with the spirit of Epcot and the last nail in the coffin. Michael Eisner please come back!

[PeoplemoverMatt]

HMF - It would help a great deal if you could cite your source while disclosing information such as this.

-- PMM

[SWERJ321]

As Epcot has long been my favorite of the parks (lost count how many times I've been there in the last 20 years), I feel a need to defend it. Yeah, I do miss some of the old style rides, World of Motion, the original Living Seas and Imagination and even Horizons. But that style of ride wouldn't work as well with today's youth. There's a difference between "timeless" and "Backward."

Plus, as someone mentioned, the early EPCOT Center was really overloading the information. I MUCH prefer Ellen's Energy Adventure over the lecture that was the original UOE. And Test Track adn Space are more thrilling than their forebearers. I do have hopes for LIving Seas as that can really mix teaching kids about the seas with the addition of the Nemo guys.

The point is, Walt Disney never intended for Disneyland or Disney World to be the same always, but always be changing and evolving. This is just a continuation of it. True when they change some things it can be bad (Imagination) but can also improve (Spaceship Earth, Innoventions, Circle of Life). Just give it a chance for a bit.

Also, what's wrong with changing Illuminations? It's been almost seven years, it's due for a change just as Reflections replaced the old program. And what's with it being "Old EPCOT?" It opened a full six years after the rest of the park.

[Mr. EPCOT]

Originally Posted by HMF

More news on the destruction of Epcot. They are replacing Reflections of Earth with something called SKYDANCE. The name is terrible has nothing to do with the spirit of Epcot and the last nail in the coffin. Michael Eisner please come back!

This is a rumor from other discussion boards. This is in no way anywhere near being official.
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Originally Posted by SWERJ321

As Epcot has long been my favorite of the parks (lost count how many times I've been there in the last 20 years), I feel a need to defend it. Yeah, I do miss some of the old style rides, World of Motion, the original Living Seas and Imagination and even Horizons. But that style of ride wouldn't work as well with today's youth. There's a difference between "timeless" and "Backward."

Plus, as someone mentioned, the early EPCOT Center was really overloading the information. I MUCH prefer Ellen's Energy Adventure over the lecture that was the original UOE. And Test Track adn Space are more thrilling than their forebearers. I do have hopes for LIving Seas as that can really mix teaching kids about the seas with the addition of the Nemo guys.

The point is, Walt Disney never intended for Disneyland or Disney World to be the same always, but always be changing and evolving. This is just a continuation of it. True when they change some things it can be bad (Imagination) but can also improve (Spaceship Earth, Innoventions, Circle of Life). Just give it a chance for a bit.

Also, what's wrong with changing Illuminations? It's been almost seven years, it's due for a change just as Reflections replaced the old program. And what's with it being "Old EPCOT?" It opened a full six years after the rest of the park.

Sorry, I didn't mean to double post here.

IllumiNations has gone through several incarnations since it debuted on January 30th, 1988, which was already preceded by Carnival de Lumiere (1982), A New World Fantasy (1983), and Laserphonic Fantasy (1984). IllumiNations: Reflections of Earth bears very little resemblance to the original version from 1988. The way IllumiNations has evolved over the years is really how I would love to have seen all of the original EPCOT Center pavilions evolve, constantly being upgraded and enhanced. They would stay modern, and may end up completely different, but the heart and spirit of the attraction would be the same.