Resorts WDW exempt from gun rights law

[Tom Morrow]

Walt Disney World exempt from Florida gun rights law

Disney fires back on guns at work Orlando Sentinel Walt Disney World employees won't be packing any heat in the company parking lots anytime soon. The giant resort has declared that much of its sprawling property is exempt from a new state law that allows Floridians with concealed-weapons permits to keep firearms locked in their cars at work. Disney, which has 60,000 employees and a long-standing policy against allowing guns on its land, cites an arcane — and late-added — loophole in the new law, which took effect Tuesday. But Disney now contends that it is largely unaffected by the measure. In a memo circulated last week and obtained by the Orlando Sentinel, Disney World Vice President of Public Affairs Shannon McAleavey advised other company executives that, with a few exceptions, "this law does not apply to Walt Disney World Co. owned and leased properties." Consequently, Disney "continues to maintain a zero tolerance policy" for guns. If an employee brings one onto Disney World property without authorization, it could be grounds for termination, the memo states. In an interview Wednesday, McAleavey said it is a matter of "protecting the safety of our cast and our guests." by Scott Powers and Jason Garcia complete article

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[CoryTheRaven]

So I take it that bearing arms on private property is not an inalienable right?

[tomserwin]

^ Of course. Certain, unalienable rights are certianly alienable if a private company prefers them to be...

... wait a second...

...So if I own a house I can deny certain, unalienable rights to anyone on my property?

[PeoplemoverMatt]

You have the right to bear arms, I have the right to require that you check them at the door before entering my private property.

-- PMM

[bm2506]

I agree with Disney on this I don't think that you should be allowed to bear arms at Disneyworld but that is just my point of view

[#1DisneyFreak]

I have a HILARIOUS story! My dad has a permit to carry a conceled wepon, but never takes it into DL. He and my mom had to renew their APs so my dad ran in really fast to do it, but left the gun in my mom's backpack while he was gone. He called and said he had forgotten his wallet and needed her to bring it, so off she went. The lady at the gate was checking her bag, and all of the sudden leaned in really close, cleared her throat and said "do you want me to get you a locker for that"? haha. My mom almost died! She had to call my dad and tell him that he had to come back out. We have this long standing joke now that if you're a gang memeber with a knife or gun, they'll gladly put it in a locker for you hahaha.

[CoryTheRaven]

It's all a little lost on me anyways... gun ownership is a privilege, not a right. Back in the day, when you rode into town, you had to hand off your weapons to the Mountie or keep on riding back out.

[AraBrokenDreamer]

I'm a Texan. nuff said-

Sorry, I couldn't resist. Actually I'm not a huge fan of guns. Guns run out of bullets, but like diamonds, knives are forever, and if we can't bring those anywhere now, why should you be allowed your guns?

-Ara

[tomserwin]

Originally Posted by AraBrokenDreamer

Knives are forever.
-Ara

I think I'm in love!

Deadly weapons of ANY kind do not belong on Disney property. Not only is this the rule of company policy, but of common sense.

What kind of a person actually believes that they need to pack a gun into a theme park? A person who is paranoid (or aggressive) and therefore dangerous enough to think he/she does. And why do people pack guns and knives into ridiculously safe situations? Because they want (even if only subconsciously) a reason or situation to use them.

Here's a definition of "Gun Fanatic" that fits in this context: A gun fanatic would be anyone who thinks that it's a good idea TO BRING A GUN INTO A DISNEY PARK.

Funny how it fits the definition (in this context) of "Dangerous Person", isn't it?

And the definition of a person with poor critical thinking skills and paranoid delusions in this context would be: Anyone who thinks it's a good idea to bring a gun, knife, taser, pepper spray, nunchuks, sword, or ANY weapon INTO A DISNEY PARK because they are convinced that they NEED them.

Period.

[tomserwin]

Originally Posted by Mighty Unicorn

Deadly weapons of ANY kind do not belong on Disney property. Not only is this the rule of company policy, but of common sense.

What kind of a person actually believes that they need to pack a gun into a theme park? A person who is paranoid (or aggressive) and therefore dangerous enough to think he/she does. And why do people pack guns and knives into ridiculously safe situations? Because they want (even if only subconsciously) a reason or situation to use them.

Here's a definition of "Gun Fanatic" that fits in this context: A gun fanatic would be anyone who thinks that it's a good idea TO BRING A GUN INTO A DISNEY PARK.

Funny how it fits the definition (in this context) of "Dangerous Person", isn't it?

And the definition of a person with poor critical thinking skills and paranoid delusions in this context would be: Anyone who thinks it's a good idea to bring a gun, knife, taser, pepper spray, nunchuks, sword, or ANY weapon INTO A DISNEY PARK because they are convinced that they NEED them.

Period.

Boy, you sure are an opinionated fellow aren't you? You know, there is a difference between personal opinon/conjecture and factual, logical statements.

"Deadly weapons" can be just about anything under the sun. For example, a person could be killed with pens, pencils, kabobs, a plastic bag, a rock, a piece of rope, dental floss, the chair you sit on while eating lunch, the fork you eat lunch with, the knife you cut your lunch with, any glass bottle, your fists, a t-shirt, any of the weapons available in Fantasyland, or a whip from Indy's Outpost. If "deadly weapons of ANY kind" were truely removed form DL, it would be a very different place.

Now, I'm not comfrotabel with Joe Blow bringing a gun into the park. I don't want any idiot walking into DL while packin' heat. However, I would have absolutely no problem with Disney Security wearing firearms. A trained professional equipped with a firearm is like a warm cozey blanket of safety wrapped around my shoulders.

Knives are tools, not weapons; in the same way that hammers, although able to bust your head open, are merely tools and not weapons. I know lots of people who would bring knives into a place like DL not because they "need" them but because they are handy. I don't mean Bowie knives, Crocodile Dundee knives, or Rambo knives. I'm talking about Leathermans, Swiss Army, or small folding knives. Fixed blades are pushing it.

Let's be logical about this: If I put a Swiss Army in my pocket it isn't because I am dying to have a knife fight. That is common sense.

[PeoplemoverMatt]

Originally Posted by tomserwin

Let's be logical about this: If I put a Swiss Army in my pocket it isn't because I am dying to have a knife fight. That is common sense.

No you aren't, but Disney has every right to require you leave that Swiss Army knife somewhere outside the park gates before you enter. It's not about you, it's about holding both you & the knife fighter to the same set of rules.

-- PMM

[tomserwin]

^ I agree. That is very true. I am simply saying that having a knife and wanting to attack people with knives are very different things. Wanting to have a knife on your person isn't always about bloodlust.

[PeoplemoverMatt]

Originally Posted by tomserwin

^ I agree. That is very true. I am simply saying that having a knife and wanting to attack people with knives are very different things. Wanting to have a knife on your person isn't always about bloodlust.

And if someone asks you to not bring knives or weapons into somewhere, and asks that you remove them if they see them on you, there's no reason to think you're being accused of bloodlust. They have rules, period, and those rules are applied to everyone for everyone's safety. No one's singled out, unless you've slipped through the cracks somehow & are caught somewhere in the park. That's where trouble happens.

If you want to save yourself the trouble, just cooperate with the rules you know are there. It's not about you, or your weapon, it's about the safety of everyone. Just like everyone has to wear seat belts on the rides that have them, and harnesses on the rides that have those. It's all about safety. Disney has every right to make and enforce rules that make the park as safe as possible.

-- PMM

[AraBrokenDreamer]

He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither, wasn't that said by a founding father? Again, couldn't resist.

And I agree, they're just trying to make the park safer (which I admit is somewhat impossible, but carry on). BUT their security guards, and a few select CM's, should have the right to be prepared for if trouble goes down while they are at their post. Them being prepared could help things not go from bad to worse, and could possibly save lives if a hostile situation (the kind of thing they are truly concerned with here)comes to pass.

It doesn't even have to be a lethal force weapon. Just a stun gun or something. And while I reiterate, knives do not have the drawbacks of modern mechanized weaponry, you do not need a hunting knife in a theme park, and I'm sorry to burst your bubble and say that they don't make you check Swiss Army knives at the gate. I would know, my dad loses a pocket knife at seemingly every security checkpoint that takes them, and the only time he lost on on our last WDW trip was when he left it in his pocket at the airport going home. They do not check your pockets, they check your bag, but if you saw and handle or a hilt sticking out of your pants somewhere, you get the idea. And I'm betting you could smuggle a lot of weapons into WDW anyway. One of those deodorant-size stun guns as a camera, a knife/gun inside those little autograph books or an address book, pretty much any small weapon such as piano wire inside a cosmetic bag... the park isn't that safe. It's just more safe now from the idiots.

-Ara