Tamer Mission Space planned to be next to the original.

Disneyfan#1 · 05-03-2006, 07:41 AM

I can't believe they are doing this
SEE HERE
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?se...rld&id=4137131

PeoplemoverMatt · 05-03-2006, 08:32 AM

This is just further proof that ABC News, or any major news media for that matter, has absolutely no freaking idea what in the world they're talking about when they talk about theme park attractions. Here's some interesting quotes:

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Originally Posted by ABC News

The current version is so intense that some riders have been taken to hospitals with chest pain. Two of its 11.8 million riders have died since it opened in August 2003.

So intense that 2 out of 11,800,000 died and 'some' were taken to the hospital. That translates to .000016949% death rate. But who cares about that? Be warned! FEAR! You might be the next in the casket!

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Originally Posted by ABC News

She also suffered from severe high blood pressure, according to the medical examiner's office. Thirteen signs warn guests with high blood pressure or heart conditions against going on the ride.

So reading 13 signs in their short queue PLUS however many audible warnings there are isn't enough, we still need a tamer version of the ride because that .000016949% is just way too stinkin' high to operate this ride in good conscience anymore. At least they happened to mention that those warnings are there, but still, the ignorance of people sometimes! Oyi!

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Originally Posted by ABC News

"Providing a choice between two ride options will help to further encourage all guests to carefully consider posted health advisories when making their decision," said Al Weiss, Walt Disney World Resort president.

Hey Al, 2 out of 11.8 Million my friend. That means 11,799,998 rode it and have somehow by the grace of God lived to tell about it. 13 different warning signs. If they haven't carefully considered those posted health advisories in its current state - they're not going to with the tamer version next to it!

I hate humanity sometimes...

-- Peoplemover "If you can't read 13 different warnings signs, you get what you deserve IMO" Matt

Disneyfan#1 · 05-03-2006, 08:38 AM

So true there's no point in putting a tamer mission space

dreamscometrue555 · 05-03-2006, 09:18 AM

so whats this new "tame" mission space gonna be like?

Loneknight · 05-03-2006, 09:33 AM

*Shakes head in disgust*
Whatever happened to personal responsibility?

Oh yeah, it's over there in that junkpile....

PeoplemoverMatt · 05-03-2006, 12:14 PM

I wonder what sort of 'alternative' ride would be considered safe to these people? Mission: Walk Across the Empty Room? Oops, there was a nail that was 2mm higher than the others. DANGER! DANGER! SUE! SUE! SUE!

-- PMM

RU42 · 05-03-2006, 04:07 PM

And here I come with the desenting view...

I think having a M:S part 2 is great. Remember, they are not taking out the original, just supplementing it with a tamer version. Personally, I love roller coasters. I have been on them all over the world. The faster the better and even a few loops here and there and I am great.

Put me on the tea cups and I get sick. I do not like to be spun in circles repeatedly and rapidly. No Zephyr, no Orange Stinger for me. Heck, I tolerate Dumbo et al but the faster ones - I rather not ride and keep feeling great.

So, no Mission:Space for me. Personally I do not want to take the chance of feeling ill afterwards. (Yes, death is an incredibly small number but there are many who get sick; some for 5 minutes some for a few hours.) Some enjoy the ride and that is great for them. But for people like me having an alternative isn't a bad idea. I wonder if they will use the old simulator from Body Wars?

I think having the original ride is a must. It is innovative and exciting. but you must remember Disney needs to cater to a larger audience. Having a secondary version does not subtract from the ride, it only enhances the pavillion. Walt's dream was for Epcot to be a family exploration of tomorrow. M:S currently excludes many people (small children, elderly, those who don't like spinning like me) and therefore they do not go into the pavillion at all. Having a tamer version opens the pavillion to more people.

Mission:Space is suffering. Wait times for the e-ticket attraction are vastly smaller then other e-ticket type rides. It is so bad that when you get a fastpass for Test Track you get a fastpass for Mission:Space too 'as a bonus.' I started laughing when it did that for me last week. Last week Test Track and Soarin had 60+ minute waits and Mission:Space was at 10 minutes. Disney has to do something or their huge investment in M:S could be in jeopardy.

Anyway...enough rambling. I think having 2 versions is a bonus not a hindrance to Future World.

RU

mrhappybomb · 05-03-2006, 04:22 PM

thats not cool they should make a tame ride just beause 2 people died on it form what I read it was there fault they had one or more of the medical conditons that were stated on the warnings. that if u had them not ride go to the Advacne Traing Facility.

RU42 · 05-03-2006, 04:28 PM

Please show me where Disney says they are making a part 2 because people died in the original version? You can't because that is not true.

They are making a second part because many people bypass M:S because they do not like spinning or the bad press v1 gets. As I said in my last post, you can watch people walk past M:S completely and the lines are much smaller for the ride then they should be.

RU

RollingBoulder · 05-03-2006, 04:47 PM

Yeah, I don't see what the problem is with this. Taming the whole attraction is one thing, but having another option for those that can't ride for whatever reason is great, IMO. I guess I don't see the need to cry "personal responsibility" in this case.

PeoplemoverMatt · 05-03-2006, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ru42

Put me on the tea cups and I get sick. I do not like to be spun in circles repeatedly and rapidly. No Zephyr, no Orange Stinger for me. Heck, I tolerate Dumbo et al but the faster ones - I rather not ride and keep feeling great.

So, no Mission:Space for me. Personally I do not want to take the chance of feeling ill afterwards. (Yes, death is an incredibly small number but there are many who get sick; some for 5 minutes some for a few hours.) Some enjoy the ride and that is great for them. But for people like me having an alternative isn't a bad idea. I wonder if they will use the old simulator from Body Wars?
RU

I don't think it's a hinderance to it, I just have to laugh at the utter ridiculousness of the whole scene. RU you practice the discretion that every park guest needs to have, regardless of the ride. I have to wonder about it though because the point of the centrifuge is so you feel the G's where astronauts would feel G's. I've ridden M:S many times & never once did I feel the lateral motion of spinning. That was probably the most astonishing quality of the ride - that I knew I was spinning & yet would never know that if I didn't know about the centrifuge. Now, some people have figured it out by looking left & right while they should be focused on the screen in front of them - another thing all riders are warned not to do during the pre-show.

-- Peoplemover "It'll be interesting when parents & teens get in line & the teens go to the centrifuge & the parents go to whatever junior alternative that's there." Matt

dctrdez · 05-03-2006, 05:16 PM

Imagineers are experimenting with turning centrifuge #4 into a no-G attraction, so nothing "new" is going to be built per se. I think that's fine, if you have the opportunity to make the attraction more user-friendly so that more people can ride it and enjoy it. Go for it.

PeoplemoverMatt · 05-03-2006, 05:22 PM

I was thinking they'd do something like that, but then it'd reek havoc with either needing 2 different lines or making centrifuge people wait for the limited-capacity no-centrifuge version. Personally, I would really hate it if I knew I was waiting in a 60min line when I only really needed to wait in a 15 or so minute line. If they do it this way & they make me wait for people not riding the version I'm riding, I won't be happy about that.

-- Peoplemover "And I'm wearing my Mission Space polo to work today in support

" Matt

**Disneyland_Wolf** · 05-03-2006, 05:27 PM

We don't deaths and accidents right? So they must change it to a tamer version. At least Indiana Jones Adventure is fine. For those who ride Mission: Space will require to wear a space suit, due to its intenstity. Humans are weak, Wereanimals (shapeshifters) can hold it.

dctrdez · 05-03-2006, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by PeoplemoverMatt

I was thinking they'd do something like that, but then it'd reek havoc with either needing 2 different lines or making centrifuge people wait for the limited-capacity no-centrifuge version. Personally, I would really hate it if I knew I was waiting in a 60min line when I only really needed to wait in a 15 or so minute line. If they do it this way & they make me wait for people not riding the version I'm riding, I won't be happy about that.

-- Peoplemover "And I'm wearing my Mission Space polo to work today in support

" Matt

That's a good point. It depends on how many people there are who would rather opt to ride in 0-g Mission Space. I'm guessing that there won't be that many, and most will want to ride the regular version.

*Sigh* So many warning signs. Nobody can read anymore. (Step further: Nobody possesses common sense anymore)

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RU42 RU 'busy editing Potc" 42 Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: So Cal Posts: 1,669 Images: 609 My Mood:	And here I come with the desenting view... I think having a M:S part 2 is great. Remember, they are not taking out the original, just supplementing it with a tamer version. Personally, I love roller coasters. I have been on them all over the world. The faster the better and even a few loops here and there and I am great. Put me on the tea cups and I get sick. I do not like to be spun in circles repeatedly and rapidly. No Zephyr, no Orange Stinger for me. Heck, I tolerate Dumbo et al but the faster ones - I rather not ride and keep feeling great. So, no Mission:Space for me. Personally I do not want to take the chance of feeling ill afterwards. (Yes, death is an incredibly small number but there are many who get sick; some for 5 minutes some for a few hours.) Some enjoy the ride and that is great for them. But for people like me having an alternative isn't a bad idea. I wonder if they will use the old simulator from Body Wars? I think having the original ride is a must. It is innovative and exciting. but you must remember Disney needs to cater to a larger audience. Having a secondary version does not subtract from the ride, it only enhances the pavillion. Walt's dream was for Epcot to be a family exploration of tomorrow. M:S currently excludes many people (small children, elderly, those who don't like spinning like me) and therefore they do not go into the pavillion at all. Having a tamer version opens the pavillion to more people. Mission:Space is suffering. Wait times for the e-ticket attraction are vastly smaller then other e-ticket type rides. It is so bad that when you get a fastpass for Test Track you get a fastpass for Mission:Space too 'as a bonus.' I started laughing when it did that for me last week. Last week Test Track and Soarin had 60+ minute waits and Mission:Space was at 10 minutes. Disney has to do something or their huge investment in M:S could be in jeopardy. Anyway...enough rambling. I think having 2 versions is a bonus not a hindrance to Future World. RU __________________ Check out my new web site New DCA videos; one for each 'Land' Sunshine Plaza, A Bugs Land, Hollywood Back Lot, Golden State, Paradise Pier

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