The Original DisneySea.

[k_peek_2000]

Did you guys know the origional Disney Sea was going to be located in Long Beach(I think somwhere around that area)? Again another DLR Loss. First Sea Disney (I dont know what its called Sea Disney, Disney Sea same thing). Then Westcot. When will the next great park come to CA. The prophosy says, "A great park will come to ca". lol anyway that was a huge bummer when I read that.

[csmarc34]

I don't understand.

[debijeanm]

Did you guys know the origional Disney Sea was going to be located in Long Beach(I think somwhere around that area)? Again another DLR Loss. First Sea Disney (I dont know what its called Sea Disney, Disney Sea same thing). Then Westcot. When will the next great park come to CA. The prophosy says, "A great park will come to ca". lol anyway that was a huge bummer when I read that.
I think they should obliterate California Adventure (they can keep Soarin', though) and replace it with a version of Disney Sea. We need an active volcano in Southern California.

Put California Adventure in, oh, say, Kansas or Oklahoma. I'm sure my cousins and their kids would love it!

[disneyguy]

Tokyo DisneySea (http://www.tokyodisneyresort.co.jp/tds/index_e.html) is it's offical title. :wink:

-DG

[k_peek_2000]

Okay the origional Disneysea. Was going to be built in long beach. To take away all the facy talk in the first post.

[linklewtt]

Tokyo DisneySea (http://www.tokyodisneyresort.co.jp/tds/index_e.html) is it's offical title. :wink:

-DG

i think he's talking about the original DisneySea, planned for Long Beach (which then would not have the Tokyo part)

Anyways, according to Jim Hill Media, the original DisneySea was supposed to be an Epcot-ish type park, except themed around the future of the ocean (ocean exploration and such). The centerpiece would have been a sort of futuristic bubble dome which would house a state of the art aquarium, one of the largest int he world. It would be a sort of futuristic sea base. Sounds very cool.

[ryguy222]

too bad it never came to be, or should i say hasn't come to be yet.

[linklewtt]

^^that's the way to think about it! it hasn't come...yet!

[ryguy222]

^^wait isn't the stuff on the stage from WOM? it looks very close.

[arrowfanman]

One, I personally like the concept that came to be more than the original concept.

Two, I wouldn't care for the Disneyland Resort to include two parks, 10-15 miles apart. It wouldn't bug me, if those 10-15 miles were owned by Disney, but in this case, those 10-15 miles are houses, malls, and well--overdeveloped land. So, no. I like that all you have to do is walk across the plaza to hop between parks.

-Jahan

[dctrdez]

Long Beach turned it down. They didn't want to be Anaheim.

Oh well.

Their loss...and ours...

...bummer...

[Executioner]

It was to be built next to the Queen Mary. At the time, Disney owned the QM and the Spruce Goose (which is now up in Oregon). Disney then decided to sell the QM and the Spruce Goose. But they did plan on a water park/Tokyo Disney Sea thing for there. Never left the paper though.

[k_peek_2000]

if I can get the concept pic that I saw on the cpu ill show you guys it.

[DaddyB]

Oh, how I could go on and on about Disney Seas, Long Beach. I've sat in on several talks from Jim Hill about "what could have beens" regarding this theme park (and more than once regarding "Disney's America" in Virginia). Don't get him started on those topics! (kidding). He's got some great resources and literature from that era and it's truly a remarkable vision (almost all Imagineer Tony Baxter's vision, at that).

Long Beach pulled out mainly becuase environmentalists didn't want Disney deepening part of the harbor and filling in other parts of it for the amusement park. Forget about the good it would have done for the education of the world on sea life and the environmental work that Disney would have ended up doing, it's not like Long Beach is a beautiful virgin estuary along a pristine coastline. Long Beach coast is mostly one long oil and fuel slick that should be declared a federal disaster area and slated for a hazmat cleanup.

Do a search on google for "long beach" and "Disney" and you'll likely come up with some interesting concept art... some of it probably on Jim's site to begin with!

[barfownz]

Jim Hill doesnt give good articles. Some of them are false also.

[DaddyB]

Jim Hill doesnt give good articles. Some of them are false also.Actually, that statment may be more untrue than what Jim Hill writes. The "problem" with Jim Hill is that his sources are so highly placed (and sometimes far outside of the corporate TDA building), that much of what he get's is 'pie-in-the-sky" imagineering also known as "blue sky" imagineering. Stuff that the imagineers dream up that by the time it gets through the budgetary process, barely resembles anything like what the Imagineers were first going for. This has been especially true the last couple years of Eisner's reign.

And so Jim Hill's HISTORICAL viewpoints on the "what could have beens" of the parks are actually extremely accurate and sometimes go against the myths that Disney Corp would have you believe.----------------



ANYWAY, I wanted to come back and post this link to an excellent article on Long Beach Westcot and Disney Seas:
http://www.mickeynews.com/Columns/DisplayColumn.asp_Q_id_E_553

[Ratty12345]

That is very interesting...:smile:

[k_peek_2000]

Its very depressing hearing all of the amazing and huge things that were planned for dlr and then seeing what we have (DCA). I am very much so happy with DCA. But If we had West Cot and Sea Disney. DRL would easily over pass WDW as the worlds biggest resort.

[linklewtt]

^^but is that a hugely great thing? I actually like how Disneyland is much more of a hangout rather than an international destination, you know what I mean? Disneyland has that quality to it that is familiar to regulars and has a larger fanbase than WDW. It can cater a lot more to just Americans and be a little "laid back" if you will while WDW hosts so many people each day on their vacations from all over the world. That's a cool international aspect to WDW, but i think that makes Disneyland so much more special to America. not many people say after school, "Wanna hang out at WDW for a bit?" but many can and do say that about Disneyland. It's a much more tangible and homey place, while WDW is kinda like a museum that you go to every so often. Get it?

[PeoplemoverMatt]

Disneyland & WDW are two totally different dynamics that WestCot & DisneySea wouldn't have made a difference in that regard. And seeing as DisneySea would have been in Long Beach, it couldn't be a part of a mega DLR like all of WDW's parks & resorts are. WDW is 47 square miles of uninterrupted Disney-controlled environment. There is nothing of the outside world in there besides a HESS gas station & some road signs. Disneyland Resort Anaheim simply will never, ever, be able to come close to creating this for itself. You simply cannot grasp WDW's nature without seeing it for yourself. I'd compare it to thinking you know what Union Station is like because you're familiar with your corner bus stop.

-- PMM :cool:

[k_peek_2000]

I conciter WDW a bunch of parks miles away from each other. Would be any different if there were a bunch of parks miles away here.

[PeoplemoverMatt]

It would actually because even though the WDW parks are 20 minute bus rides away from each other, you don't see anything else but Disney property on that bus ride. If you took a bus ride from DLR to Long Beach, you'd see way more of the "real world" than you ever would want to see.

-- PMM :cool:

[k_peek_2000]

It would actually because even though the WDW parks are 20 minute bus rides away from each other, you don't see anything else but Disney property on that bus ride. If you took a bus ride from DLR to Long Beach, you'd see way more of the "real world" than you ever would want to see.

-- PMM :cool:
Orange County is one of the fastest growing counties in the world with all of the publicity its been getting all the sudden with tv shows and movies taking place in it and stuff. People wouldn't mind a little tour of the OC. You'd see Knott's Angels stadium. I think the discovery science center im not sure though. I beleive that like 2 minutes away in Santa Ana (my hometown). You would see DCA of coarse. Plus disney could own hotels in between the parks.

[Wendell]

Wishful thinking but...

It may have worked if instead of buses, Disney could have bought easement rights on a small thin strip of land to long beach and put in a monorail.

However, that would be a little too drastic. Be cool though.