Fantasmic 2!

[stitchhead28]

It has just been posted (if you're curious, here it is http://www.miceage.com/allutz/al011006d.htm) that WDI is in the process of creating a sequel to Fantasmic dubbed Fantasmic 2 for the summer of 2007! :eek: Any thoughts:icon_ques

[linklewtt]

that would suck, but i have learned to mistrust al lutz (DCA renaming itself, among other things)...

[k_peek_2000]

They better let me do the lighting for it. I wouldnt make the lighting suck so much. I beleive that the lighting on fantasmic should be literally a part of the show as much as the live performers.

[Mickey Man]

well, as long as it is a similar show to the one we have right now. my biggest fear is if they go off and do a entirely diferent show based on a new low budget movie or one of the Pixar movies.

[PeoplemoverMatt]

*sigh* Here is the exact quote folks:
And what about the plans for a refreshed Fantasmic? Now that the demolition and reconstruction of the Riverbelle Terrace facility that we previously told you about has been approved for fiscal 2007, with work to start next Fall, maybe it's time to dust off those old Cynthia Harriss plans to create a "Fantasmic! II" for the summer of '07? They're in a bit of a quandary right now in TDA, and the roaring success of the 50th Anniversary that has exceeded even the most optimistic plans of 18 months ago has put quite a bit of pressure on TDA to not let the 2007 and '08 numbers fall in a hole once the 50th party ends this October.

This is purely 100% Al's speculation and by no means an announcement for anything. He's simply saying there were plans by Hariss made years ago that were rejected but not forgotten, and summer '07 might be the time for a different version of them to resurface. That's all there is folks. No announcement about anything. Fantasmic! is not going anywhere. WDI is not creating any Fantasmic II with plans to debut it in '07. Rumor dead.

-- Peoplemover "Leave Fantasmic! alone, fix something else" Matt

[Sesshomaru-sama]

Honestly, I don't see a reason why they want to change a still successful show. It may be old (as in years), but it's still popular. I swear, if they made a sequel that involves more Pixar in it, I think I will go crazy. But honestly, if they did make a sequel, it better be an another situation that involves the second attempt to steal Mickey Mouse's imagination. With more advanced special effects.

[Evan-500]

I like it as it is... they tried a "fantasmic 2" at mgm, and see how that one turned out?? Eep!!! If they did anything, it would be to update special effects add new effects, and maybe some new scenes... But not a drastic change please :(

[Fantasmic!kid]

Fantasmic! "Agreeing with PMM, fix something else (preferably WDW's Fantasmic)" kid.

[Disneyland_Wolf]

Fix WDW Fantasmic, but leave the Pocahontas segment, because that's my favorite action scene.

[Robert Fuller]

I think the show is in need of a big update. It's a good show, but it could be so much better. Specifically, the beginning and end are good, but the entire middle portion is fairly dull and uninspired. It's like they didn't know what to do with it so they said, "Okay, let's throw a few glow-in-the-dark elephants on the island. And a cardboard cutout of Pinocchio with some dancing girls."

The WDW version is better in that respect, but ultimately it starts to rely way too much on the projection-on-the-water effect. And that Pocahontas thing doesn't work at all.

Both versions are flawed, but in different ways. They should get me to direct it. I'd turn it into a masterpiece! Of course, I'd also bring it about a million dollars over-budget.

[stitchhead28]

I think the show is in need of a big update. It's a good show, but it could be so much better. Specifically, the beginning and end are good, but the entire middle portion is fairly dull and uninspired. It's like they didn't know what to do with it so they said, "Okay, let's throw a few glow-in-the-dark elephants on the island. And a cardboard cutout of Pinocchio with some dancing girls."

The WDW version is better in that respect, but ultimately it starts to rely way too much on the projection-on-the-water effect. And that Pocahontas thing doesn't work at all.

Both versions are flawed, but in different ways. They should get me to direct it. I'd turn it into a masterpiece! Of course, I'd also bring it about a million dollars over-budget.
I completely agree with you! Yes, Fantasmic is a great show, but it seriously need to update the middle of the show. I'm not saying to add stuff from features from the past 10 years (Hercules, Treasure Planet, Mulan, etc.) and just cut out what is already there. Just, make the scenes more visually interesting/exciting (like, why not have actual FLYING pink elephants above the audience or something instead of projections?). What I would also like to see are elements from under appreciated Disney films getting into the act that could fit into the shows tone and theme. For instance, the Horned King and the cauldron itself from The Black Cauldron. I know the movie wasn't the best of Disney, but I seriously think that the villain and premice of the film would work in the realm of Fantasmic. Finally, I firmly believe that WDW Fantasmic should have a facelift. I remember thinking to myself the first time I saw it "They replaced pirates with Pocahontas?!?".

[Evan-500]

I think they should keep pinnochio... just because I think that entire giant setup is so cool, but maybe actual people playing pinnochio, and the dancers... The elephants need to stay as they area because, they have no other way of getting the pinnochio rigging up.. it needs that big black area.. Unless they remove the giant pinnochio rigging... Uhm, pirate/princess is good

[Xicalitlan21]

I am with those that prefer an update instead of a new sequel. However, tiny additions would be nice in certain scenes (more princesses, projections of early classics, upgraded effects). Fantasmic is already a DL landmark and it should only improve for the future.

However, if something different could come to Rivers of America, I'd rather not name it "Fantasmic! II" or anything like that. For me, the ideal show would be the evolution of "Remember.... Dreams Come True" (with less "wishes" stuff and more "airtime" for DL and its attractions) to become a real Disneyland Homage extravaganza, not just laser, and fireworks, but taking advantage of all the resources (Columbia could be used for a PotC scene, the rafts could carry some Fantasyland characters, the Mark Twain would help in the Frontierland tributes, special effects could generate from BTMRR, HM and Splash Mountain, and even the Fantasmic! tribute could be added this time).

It took 50 years for DL to look back at the magic of its attractions, it should not go away after the 50th celebration, yet it should improve and became a permanent attraction by itself.

As for Fantasmic! (the original), the year is long enough to keep up to two great shows in Rivers of America, so they could become seasonal attractions.

Anyway, I am just thinking out loud here, but wouldn't any one of you want to see something like that? there's a lot of footage, sounds and technology, the only missing thing is the will of WDI to make it happen.

[TsWade2]

You people are being a bunch of silly willies! To me I think it's a wonderful idea. This is just going to be like from One Man's Dream(Tokyo Disneyland version.) And Tokyo Disneyland has One Man's Dream II: The Magic Lives On. I think this will be a wonderful idea and I don't give dang about putting Pixar characters in it. So there!:mad:

[Ratty12345]

*sigh* Here is the exact quote folks:


This is purely 100% Al's speculation and by no means an announcement for anything. He's simply saying there were plans by Hariss made years ago that were rejected but not forgotten, and summer '07 might be the time for a different version of them to resurface. That's all there is folks. No announcement about anything. Fantasmic! is not going anywhere. WDI is not creating any Fantasmic II with plans to debut it in '07. Rumor dead.

-- Peoplemover "Leave Fantasmic! alone, fix something else" Matt

I agree, Fantasmic is fine the way it is.

[PeoplemoverMatt]

To repeat: there is no reason to believe that a Fantasmic II show is coming is or even being thought of.

-- PMM :cool:

[TsWade2]

*sigh* Here is the exact quote folks:


This is purely 100% Al's speculation and by no means an announcement for anything. He's simply saying there were plans by Hariss made years ago that were rejected but not forgotten, and summer '07 might be the time for a different version of them to resurface. That's all there is folks. No announcement about anything. Fantasmic! is not going anywhere. WDI is not creating any Fantasmic II with plans to debut it in '07. Rumor dead.

-- Peoplemover "Leave Fantasmic! alone, fix something else" Matt

Dang it!

[TsWade2]

To repeat: there is no reason to believe that a Fantasmic II show is coming is or even being thought of.

-- PMM :cool:

Dang it again!

[Ratty12345]

To repeat: there is no reason to believe that a Fantasmic II show is coming is or even being thought of.

-- PMM :cool:

Dang, I guess it was hard for me to understand at first. :icon_shoc

[Evan-500]

You people are being a bunch of silly willies! To me I think it's a wonderful idea. This is just going to be like from One Man's Dream(Tokyo Disneyland version.) And Tokyo Disneyland has One Man's Dream II: The Magic Lives On. I think this will be a wonderful idea and I don't give dang about putting Pixar characters in it. So there!:mad:


Did you see how MGM's turned out when they attempted to change Fantasmic???

[Robert Fuller]

Did you see how MGM's turned out when they attempted to change Fantasmic???
But that was out of necessity, not creativity.

[PeoplemoverMatt]

^ They could easily have the exact same jungle scenes with the monkeys & Kaa that we have here, but no, they decided on that hilariously stupid & pointless Jafar snake scene. Done out of necessity? Only if you want to really ***** your show up. They extended the bubbles projections to cover when we'd see the Dumbo dancing elephants & Pinocchio sequence to hold a seemingly endless display of random animated character shorts, and changed the dragon to be a sum of not 3, but about 8 villans. Was that change done out of necessity? Again, only if its necessary to turn your show into a total joke.

Yes they lack the boats, so they have to change those scenes, but that's about it. The other changes were made for really no reason at all, and you see what happens when needless changes are made. I was about ready to walk out of the stadium after laughing at that tiny little Steamboat Willie ship, but then I saw how they do their finale & suddenly it all made sense. They use a combination of fountains, lighting, pyro & Sorceror Mickey way up on the peak of the "mountain", completely blow everyone away with it & suddenly they've forgotten the past 25 minutes. Amazing how that works isn't it?

Don't worry, they'd never try that at Disneyland, I hope. But at least they're not thinking about changing or renaming the show at all. There might be some minor changes in the lighting coming, so an effect or two might look a wee bit different, but that's it.

-- Peoplemover "Ok, Disney, you see that park across the esplanade? Go fix that! Leave my Fantasmic! alone." Matt

[Evan-500]

^ I thought the elephants were from Winnie the pooh??? Heffelumps and woozles...

[disneylandkid]

no there from dumbo. Pink Elephants on Parade

[Disneyland_Wolf]

Leave the original Disneyland Fantasmic! as it is.

[TsWade2]

You know, if they are going to go for it, then I say go for it!:smile: It's going to be like from One Man's Dream. Bruce Healey compose both shows. Fantasmic and One Man's Dream. I still think the sequel will be a tremendous idea.;)

[carlosbrown45]

i know they wouldnt do this but why not play one show first and II second.

[PeoplemoverMatt]

You know, if they are going to go for it, then I say go for it!:smile: It's going to be like from One Man's Dream. Bruce Healey compose both shows. Fantasmic and One Man's Dream. I still think the sequel will be a tremendous idea.;)

The Fantasmic II that Lutz was talking about was a Harris idea. The only tremendous ideas she had were cramming the park full of ODV carts and putting twice as many gift shops as rides in DCA.

-- PMM :cool:

[ryguy222]

i think i read on some other site (not mice age i think mouse planet) that they had plans to re do star tours and make it ST 2 or something thats a little more realistic than this idea and the ST 2 isn't very realsitic anyway. Well i guess sorta becasue it says travel to new destiantions or whatever on the scrolly sign. They seriously should leave D-land alone think of what they could do to DCA if they left D-land alone

[Robert Fuller]

^ They could easily have the exact same jungle scenes with the monkeys & Kaa that we have here, but no, they decided on that hilariously stupid & pointless Jafar snake scene. Done out of necessity? Only if you want to really ***** your show up.
I don't remember a pointless Jafar snake scene, but I do remember the jungle scene being much better there. Actually, the entire beginning was much better. It's only when they suddenly turn the show into a movie montage on water that it starts to suck. I liked the fact that they added more villains (it always kind of bugged me that the witch summons "all the forces of evil" and ends up with just Ursula, Chernabog, and Maleficent), but they blew it by keeping them solely in two dimensions.

Yes they lack the boats, so they have to change those scenes, but that's about it.
That's what I was referring to. It accounts for a lot of the changes, including the whole, misguided Pocahontas thing.

Of course, watching the DL version tonight made me realize how bad it is. Or maybe I'm just sick of it. I used to love it, but now it just seems like a bunch of random effects and half-hearted theatrical scenes and props thrown together without rhyme or reason, tied together by some dubious "dream" story. As bad as the Pocahontas scene is, the Peter Pan scene doesn't work either because you can't see what's going on much of the time. It just looks like a bunch of chaos (and reusing a pre-existing ride just feels cheap to me). The show really only gets exciting and interesting at the end.

[tboss]

Fantasmic, as far as I'm concerned, is perfect. I don't feel the need for improvment when it makes me cry every time I watch it.

I could just be the score that does it to me.

I really should admit, however, that the water screens are getting boring. It was entertaining at first, but I find the live action sequences much more entertaining.

[Xicalitlan21]

Much of the magic of Fantasmic at DL resides in the fact that during the day people walks and plays around the "stage" (Rivers of America/Tom Sawyer's Island) and then, after it gets dark, we'll see people sitting around the river's edge and suddenly enormous spotlight towers appear to come out of nowhere, and then a band performs on the rafts; and I believe that for newcomers this setting feels more interesting than just waiting two hours at a huge amphitheater (as in MGM's version).

And for people that just have seen it, we can do some stuff (eat, shop, ride) and then have a walk and still get a spot to watch the show just minutes before it starts (unless it's a mega crowded day) instead of losing two or three hours of the day at the park as in WDW.

Unless something revolutionary comes, Fantasmic should just get updates on its scenes and upgrades on its effects, because it is still a Disneyland favorite.

[Disneyland_Wolf]

So true, I agree!

[WeHaveIgnition05]

Well, i do like the idea of an updated Fantasmic!

dont get me wrong, i love that show

and like everyone else who loves it as well, knows it by heart.

but you cant sit through it over and over and think in your head that
the show needs a little improvment and some changes

with the new movies out

and the popular new "remember"

i think we will all move on



in fact this Christmas Season I really Missed seeing "Believe...In Holiday Magic!" I was glad to see snow

but it just wasnt the same

but i got over it

like everything else that is changed or taken away from us ( as disney fans )

so

I kinda look forward to a Fantasmic II!

[samiesmith]

I love WDW fantasmic but I really wish we had the Peter Pan scene. I too like the Pocahontis scene too but the Pirate ship is just too cool! I can't wait to see it live.

[grmghst13]

I think they should just bring the Ursula float back!