The Official: Pirates of the Caribbean Changes Thread

[kates4u]

Did you see this new article on miceage? re: pirates?!?!? I'm so upset!!! I hope they work it out so it's not too different...
http://www.miceage.com/allutz/al110805a.htm

[PeoplemoverMatt]

There was a thread on the temp boards that got started about this. Maybe, possibly we could merge that into here. I wrote a fairly lengthy post I'd rather not re-type :redface:

-- PMM :cool:

[111702]

Check out www.miceage.com (http://www.miceage.com) for all the info! I CAN'T WAIT!:p

[Chris]

If you'd like to discuss the topic, please do so, but starting a conversation by simply posting a link may be considered spamming in some cases.

[111702]

If you'd like to discuss the topic, please do so, but starting a conversation by simply posting a link may be considered spamming in some cases.

Ok then, I'll start the conversation off.

Firstly, in the link above, it describes in-depth about the plans WDI has for POTC! First, they're thinking of adding that cool swashbuckling music from the actual movie to the queue and the beginning of the cave scene (where the unseen pirates sing the "Yo Ho, Yo Ho" song). That would be a nice addition in my opinion. Secondly, they would definitly enhance the cave scene (like it's not cool already:icon_roll ) and add a few things here and there. Another cool thing is the addition of a screen of mist on the ceiling of the REALLY dark room with the unseen pirate. They would add a bunch of fog effects, and projected onto the scrim above the boats would be Davy Jones himself (Davy Jones is supposed to appear in the second or third POTC movie). I really like that idea! Past this cool effect would be a broken mast from a ship with a skeleton in it's crows nest. The moonlight would then hit the skeleton and bring it to life! I don't exactly know what WDI is going to do with it, but they're pretty good at imagining stuff up (duh:icon_roll )! But by far the most improved change would be the Ship Battle, where the new ship battling the people on land will be the Black Pearl itself! I WANT TO SEE THE BLACK PEARL! Captain Barbossa is of course going to be the new Blackbeard and shouting things at the fort like, "Where have you hidden Captain Jack Sparrow!?" or something like that!
Basically, the rest of the ride will be almost the same except for a few Jack Sparrow AA's here and there. I don't really know how it's going to play out, but go to the link above and you'll get a better look at what I'm trying to say!

[linklewtt]

i read the article and i LOVED IT!!!!! ya sure the original will be changed but so what? I know lots of people are gonna comment on this but the fact is that times, they are a-changin'!!

[Disneyland_Wolf]

Uh no.... bye bye Classic Walt Disney's Pirates of the Carribean.

Arghh! Not the most famous attraction that had Walt chrished, the original attraction transforming into movie theme.

Making me MAD!. Like PMM.

[Mickey55]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!DON'T CHANGE THAT RIDE!

[SplashMountain]

This makes me mad! When Im old and have children, I wont be able to share my memories of Walts classic attraction with them.:frown: Maybe I shall take action, and have someone stop this madness:mad: !! Dont get m,e wrong, the Pirates movie was good, but they cant go and spoil the last attraction that Walt worked on personelly!!! I want a soda!:mad: :mad:

[DeadMenTellNoTales]

Words cannot express the saddness and regret i will feel if in fact this change in POTC really does go through. There are people on this board who express that, yeah its sad, but its time to move on. Are you kidding me? Time to move on!!! POTC is one of if not the most original and beloved rides in theme park history. What the heck is WDI thinking, why on earth would they remodel the last ride Walt was ever able to work on, to match a movie that no one will even remember in 10 years.And don't believe that the ride will remain the same, if you read the whole article, they are planning on changing the entire ride, from the moment you go down the drops to the second you leave. The dialog is changing as well as the over feel of the ride. It just does not make any sense. Plus, the movie was not that good of a movie. It was alright, but in no way was it good enough to completly change one of the most classic rides in Disney history.

[linklewtt]

well cry cry cry but probably the new version will be good and cool and fun...there's nothing to be done about it so you might as well enjoy it

[sp 4449]

yes I be sure the new ride'll be cool mateys they will probubly keep all of the stuff from the origanal and add a johny Depp figuer here and their we be only able to wait and see so hang on tight with both hands if you please and we will see

[Disneyland_Wolf]

It was that David Stevenson guy and he even is not working with WDI. He will put his hands on the two beloved Disneyland attractions: Haunted Mansion and POTC. He wanted to change the whole attraction. Read the first part of the article.

[kates4u]

If you'd like to discuss the topic, please do so, but starting a conversation by simply posting a link may be considered spamming in some cases.
Sorry Chris...didn't mean to spam...


I actually do think that changes could be cool. I'll have to admit it's the first thing we go on each time we visit the park and it could use some new effects. ( I do like the new splashes) But there's also a part of me that doesn't want to have Walt's original work messed with in anyway. It's like it's a tribute to Walt and to go in and change it for a movie that's based on the ride in the first place! I'm just kinda torn with the idea...

[111702]

If some of you read the ENTIRE article (I'm sure most of you did), then you would see that MOST of the ride is the same! The only differences are new COOL effects (like the new cannon-flying-over-your-head-effect), new Jack Sparrow AA's (only in SOME places for those of you worried about the change), even MORE cool effects (I like the misty projection in the cave idea), and the addition of the music from the movie in some places (who didn't like that catchy swashbuckling music?).
BESIDES, have you not heard that most first-timers to the ride (especially when I was their at the 50th), don't even know the ride came first!? The newbie guests are always asking "Where's Jack Sparrow?", and "I never saw a swamp in the movie!", and "I want to see the skeleton pirates!". Blah-Blah-Blah!
Personally, I think the new effects and AA additions are cool! It won't ruin the ENTIRE ride! Also, it's a nice addition to an aging ride (don't even get me started on the condition of POTC!:mad: ).

[Horizons1]

Well, Pirates is a great ride that will always be updating to catch up with the modern day public. A new generation of kids are growing up knowing only of the tales of Captain Jack Sparrow, and will be unhappy when they ride the ride for the first time (as strange as that seems to us) So, If they work in some things from the movies, and keep everything from the ride, Then I think this will work well. I'm glad it's coming to ours (WDW) Because, ours is so watered down it needs a little extra in it unlike Disneyland's.

[Disneyland_Wolf]

Those newbies never know that POTC opened in 1967 and personally made by Walt Disney himself!! Walt's spirit is still in the park and he doesn't want the story to change. The new special effects are pretty cool, but...

[Ezra]

The Davey Jones stuff might be good. If it's like Thurl Ravenscroft's narration on the old souvenir LP, it would improve the show. And I don't care if Sparrow and Barbossa are there or not. That's fine, the movie fans will like it... :icon_arro but I don't care for the storyline that Barbossa is attacking the town because it's harboring Jack Sparrow. In the first movie, he was attacking the town to recover the gold. Why isn't he just doing that? ... That way if you've been under a rock and haven't seen the movies, it's still a good scene, instead of a Huh? What? Who's Jack Sparrow? moment. It needs to be a good show for everyone, not just fans of the movies.

[Wendell]

You know, this is both good and bad news. I to do not like movies patterned after the rides, nor do I like it when the ride is patterned after the movie. I'm okay with the POTC plan, just as long as they don't change the title. (i.e POTC Reloaded) The effects sound really cool. One problem. If this is so successful, will they pattern Haunted Mansion over that awful movie?:icon_shoc Unlike the POTC movie which had an engaging story and made sense, I for one hated the HM movie. It may have more in common with the ride, but the storyline sucked. :mad: Remember what kind of voice they gave Leota? Not nearly as eerie and intimidating. Disney, DON'T TOUCH MY HAUNTED MANSION!!!!

[astroZOMBIE]

I can't belive I'm going to be telling my children something like this "Back when i went to Disneyland, every ride wasn't a movie ride!! I know hard to belive son." I just don't like the idea of a classic ride that I have gone on millions of times is going to experience this level of renovation. Wasn't this Walt's very last ride he worked on....his favorite? Why change it when the magic and joy of this ride is still great to this day. People may say this ride is boring but I know most people love this ride. Why base a ride on a movie that was made because of that ride...? Doesn't make much sence to me..

[111702]

You know, this is both good and bad news. I to do not like movies patterned after the rides, nor do I like it when the ride is patterned after the movie. I'm okay with the POTC plan, just as long as they don't change the title. (i.e POTC Reloaded) The effects sound really cool. One problem. If this is so successful, will they pattern Haunted Mansion over that awful movie?:icon_shoc Unlike the POTC movie which had an engaging story and made sense, I for one hated the HM movie. It may have more in common with the ride, but the storyline sucked. :mad: Remember what kind of voice they gave Leota? Not nearly as eerie and intimidating. Disney, DON'T TOUCH MY HAUNTED MANSION!!!!

I think Disney has learned from it's mistakes by now. WDI knows that The Haunted Mansion was a classic and the movie was a bomb. The only reason they're re-doing POTC is because the movie was a Box-Office Hit! They wouldn't re-do one of DL's most beloved rides on a mvie that stunk, especially with Eddie Murphy in it.:icon_roll

I mean think about it. The Haunted Mansion with an Eddie Murphy AA.:icon_shoc

[lablkilz699]

the remodeling is in conjunction with the second and third movies coming in the future. thats why barbossa is looking for sparrow in the town.

and this is all being done for money. when people can relate a movie to a ride they make a better connection. spend more money that way.

[Disneyland_Wolf]

Most of the theme, the audio, the characters in it will be same. Expect the battle scene. Where the Wicked Wench fights a Spanish Fort, changing the ship into the Black Pearl which makes me mad a little. I like the famous ship battle.

[SilentMickey]

Well this is a topic I doubt people will ever agree on, I have to say I'm Happy about the idea of converting the sound to digital, as far as the new AA's go I'll just have to put my faith in disney to make it worth the long lines that will inevitably come with the revamped ride. Hopefully it will be good but hey, at least Disney's not out right replacing POTC and to me there is no reason to start complaining untill I see the finished product.

[111702]

Well this is a topic I doubt people will ever agree on, I have to say I'm Happy about the idea of converting the sound to digital, as far as the new AA's go I'll just have to put my faith in disney to make it worth the long lines that will inevitably come with the revamped ride. Hopefully it will be good but hey, at least Disney's not out right replacing POTC and to me there is no reason to start complaining untill I see the finished product.

I agree with you! I think we should trust Disney to make the ride better! Also, improving sound, effects, and atmosphere is not a BAD thing.:icon_lol:

[linklewtt]

It was that David Stevenson guy and he even is not working with WDI. He will put his hands on the two beloved Disneyland attractions: Haunted Mansion and POTC. He wanted to change the whole attraction. Read the first part of the article.


1st of all, he did not want to change the WHOLE ride. HM, although a very very good ride, has been slipping in popularity. before HMH the ride's queue never got really full...most of the time the extra part (pet cemetery and wall coffins) was never even open except on very busy days. So Davidson (not Stevenson) came up with the holiday overlay, which means a short time when the HM would be changed. and that made it so that practically everyday the queue line is full and out into the little courtyard near the train station (on really busy days). it's not permanent so we still have the original HM. everyone's happy.

As for the POTC, I suggest that you reread the first part of the article. Davidson made the IASW and HMH holiday versions. he's not planning to do the POTC, WDI is:
"But with this big Pirates project, it will be WDI's turn to prove they can still work magic with aging E-Tickets"
So blame WDI for "ruining" a classic attraction, or so you say. And they aren't planinning to change the whole attraction. You should instead think of it as adding. Most everything will be there still (except the pirate ship which will be the Black Pearl) with additions of Johnny Depp AAs, Barbossa AAs, and maybe new pirates and parrots. Really, it won't be that bad, and they're doing it to up the popularity of POTC even more cuz let's face it the line for that ride never really is that long...usually the ride itself is longer (except on really busy days).

In the words of the Farrelly Bros., don't deny, deny, deny...EMBRACE!

[linklewtt]

You know, this is both good and bad news. I to do not like movies patterned after the rides, nor do I like it when the ride is patterned after the movie. I'm okay with the POTC plan, just as long as they don't change the title. (i.e POTC Reloaded) The effects sound really cool. One problem. If this is so successful, will they pattern Haunted Mansion over that awful movie?:icon_shoc Unlike the POTC movie which had an engaging story and made sense, I for one hated the HM movie. It may have more in common with the ride, but the storyline sucked. :mad: Remember what kind of voice they gave Leota? Not nearly as eerie and intimidating. Disney, DON'T TOUCH MY HAUNTED MANSION!!!!

lol, I think Disney only wants to promote POPULAR movies in their attractions

[RU42]

Hmmm,

This is an interesting topic. I have been watching it and decided to comment.

Walt himself beleived the Park should always change. We will never know the answer to this question: Would Walt want the 1969 Pirates to remain the same as today's and to never change? Interesting thought.

Walt's purpose for an attraction was to tell a story, to transport us to the past, the future, or to fantasy. Maybe a facelift to Pirates might be a good thing - - as long as the story remains the focus and corners (i.e. Pooh flat dimensional) are not cut.

One common arguement I hear is rides and movies. Well, yes, lots of movies are making their way into rides. This is a tradition that goes back, to , well, 1955.

Fantasyland is just about completely movie related. Frontierland was inspired by the Davy Crockett series and Tom Sawyer as well. In Adventureland we have Jungle Cruise inspired by African Queen and Swiss Family Treeehouse by Swiss Family the movie. Even tomorrowland did not escape with exhibits like 20000 Leagues Under the Sea and later the Subs.

Please don't take the above to the extreme; I am not saying every ride is/should be related to a movie nor every movie made into a ride. I think Disney is at it's best when they go the creative route. I am just saying there is plenty precedent for movie/ride synergies.

So, a change to Pirates might not be all bad as long as they do it Walt's way - not the bean counters way. Also, there is a long way to go from rumor to actual ride.

[Disneyland_Wolf]

Yeah, your right. Just don't change some of the classic scenes, OR ELSE!

Good bye lil' o Wicked Wench here comes the Black Pearl!

[111702]

Hmmm,

This is an interesting topic. I have been watching it and decided to comment.

Walt himself beleived the Park should always change. We will never know the answer to this question: Would Walt want the 1969 Pirates to remain the same as today's and to never change? Interesting thought.

Walt's purpose for an attraction was to tell a story, to transport us to the past, the future, or to fantasy. Maybe a facelift to Pirates might be a good thing - - as long as the story remains the focus and corners (i.e. Pooh flat dimensional) are not cut.

One common arguement I hear is rides and movies. Well, yes, lots of movies are making their way into rides. This is a tradition that goes back, to , well, 1955.

Fantasyland is just about completely movie related. Frontierland was inspired by the Davy Crockett series and Tom Sawyer as well. In Adventureland we have Jungle Cruise inspired by African Queen and Swiss Family Treeehouse by Swiss Family the movie. Even tomorrowland did not escape with exhibits like 20000 Leagues Under the Sea and later the Subs.

Please don't take the above to the extreme; I am not saying every ride is/should be related to a movie nor every movie made into a ride. I think Disney is at it's best when they go the creative route. I am just saying there is plenty precedent for movie/ride synergies.

So, a change to Pirates might not be all bad as long as they do it Walt's way - not the bean counters way. Also, there is a long way to go from rumor to actual ride.

That...was...POETRY!:p

[Mousekiteer]

Like some of you, I'm horribly upset. Once it comes back from the refurb, I'll be on full attack mode. And like many geeks do in their spare time, I'll be there. Nit picking. Complaining. Comparing. And thus I shall annoy the guests who will share my boat- that is to say, if they aren't all AP holders and are as angry as I would be.

Then again, I say some of us are at fault. I've been muttering fror sometime now how bored I am of POTC every time one of my friends asks if we should go on it after whatever we just rode. Curses that the imagineers should hear me...

Simple as said, I'm expecting a Tiki Room turn out. With each new incarnation, the classic dies. And I'm not looking foward to the fan girls who'll be squealing their teeny bopper heads off as soon as the Jack Sparrow animatronic is seen.

Ugh.

[111702]

Like some of you, I'm horribly upset. Once it comes back from the refurb, I'll be on full attack mode. And like many geeks do in their spare time, I'll be there. Nit picking. Complaining. Comparing. And thus I shall annoy the guests who will share my boat- that is to say, if they aren't all AP holders and are as angry as I would be.

Then again, I say some of us are at fault. I've been muttering fror sometime now how bored I am of POTC every time one of my friends asks if we should go on it after whatever we just rode. Curses that the imagineers should hear me...

Simple as said, I'm expecting a Tiki Room turn out. With each new incarnation, the classic dies. And I'm not looking foward to the fan girls who'll be squealing their teeny bopper heads off as soon as the Jack Sparrow animatronic is seen.

Ugh.

Firstly, TRY not to ruin other people's experience! I hate people who do that!

Second, yes, I have heard on almost every time I've gone on POTC, some person say out loud during the ride "This is boring!". I am shocked at this remark, yet all the same, I agree, POTC does need a little more action in it.

Which is why I am happy to see more action added to an aging attraction! But why make such a fuss? At least the movie is AWESOME! It is actually one of the better movies I've ever seen! So why so angry at it?

[truthtold1980]

So, we already know that Disneyland is tampering with a great man's masterpiece, but what can we do about it at this point? Is there even anything that we can do to change the outcome of the decision. Petitioning sometimes helps, but it sounds like the project is already approved, and it seems they arent letting anyone at wdi stop them.
I wouldnt mind them adding to it a little bit, but completely changing the first scene with the ship, now that's messin with fire. The cave scene I can live with, in fact Ive always pictured spirits in the cave, but I still dont think they should even tamper with that. The most they could do is update the sound, maybe add a jack sparrow character, and that's more than enough.
Does anyone else have any new info on this refurb, and what the ultimate outcome will be????
thanks
CHRIS

[Disneyland_Wolf]

IT'S A DARN CLASSIC! Why missing with it WDI? Why?:mad:

[Mousekiteer]

Firstly, TRY not to ruin other people's experience! I hate people who do that!


You're talking to a natural born Star Wars nerd.
Ruining experiences happens to be our day jobs.

[111702]

You're talking to a natural born Star Wars nerd.
Ruining experiences happens to be our day jobs.

Well darn it!:icon_conf

[truthtold1980]

Okay and then what????.....Doesnt anyone else on here have anymore information on the actual rehab, and can anyone supply hard evidence that all of these changes are actually going to take place? If you all know it, email other fansites, and get some petitions going now. Complain to the park by email, etc.

[PeoplemoverMatt]

Al Lutz is rarely wrong when it comes to things like this.

-- PMM :cool:

[romd060]

I think it sounds really exciting! They did such an amazing job with Space Mountain, that I have complete faith in them. Space Mountain did. I wonder what ride they will re-do next.

[barfownz]

i think walt will not be happy if they do this, it will be based on the movie and the soundtrack will be changed, oh i hope not!

[111702]

i think walt will not be happy if they do this, it will be based on the movie and the soundtrack will be changed, oh i hope not!

Do not fret! The soundtrack will only be changed to the movie soundtrack (which is good I might add) in SOME scenes (a.k.a. Loading, parts of the Cave, maybe Ship Battle which didn't have music in the first place, maybe the exit waterfall, and the round-a-bout back to the station).

Also, Walt Disney himself said that Disneyland will never be finished, and it will continue to grow as long as there's imagination left in the world!

I think that Disney is, once again, right about their decision! The movie is good, so why worry?

[barfownz]

but what about the famous, yo ho yo ho a pirates life for me.

[xfkirsten]

Also, Walt Disney himself said that Disneyland will never be finished, and it will continue to grow as long as there's imagination left in the world!

I think that's my biggest argument in this case. If I recall, Walt felt that Disneyland should always be changing. Diane even said in the 50th ceremony a few months ago that he would not have wanted the park to remain the same. I'm not going to bash any of the changes without having seen them in person, simply on the basis of nostalgia.

but what about the famous, yo ho yo ho a pirates life for me.

Considering how strongly associated with the ride that song is, I don't see it disappearing. :smile:

[ryguy222]

i love that song, everyone in the boat practiacly sing along! so fun

[linklewtt]

i love Walt Disney, really i do, and i love his works and i love the original POTC. but it's just lame to always use the excuse that POTC was "Walt's last project" to justify why the ride shouldn't be updated. Walt, rest his soul, is gone. WDI is doing what they think is best for the park. if that happens to include the addition to one of Walt's projects, then so be it. The fact is that a lot of people keep stating the SAME thing, that Walt would not approve. Yes, we understand that you people think that way. But move on and accept what probably will happen. It's just corny to keep using the "Walt Excuse" every single time. I mean is anyone else sick of the Walt Excuse???

[Disneyland_Wolf]

Ummm...um..No. But sometimes it does.

[linklewtt]

^^ALL the times it does...it's officially overused

[111702]

but what about the famous, yo ho yo ho a pirates life for me.

Along with xfkirsten, I know that won't dissappear!:cool:

[PeoplemoverMatt]

I really hope you don't think anyone pushing for creativity over movie-based stuff is using the "Walt excuse" which is "overused." Walt had certain, important, creative talents that were really unique to him & brought a lot of good things into the world. The value of quality over profitability/cost for example. An argument for those things can never be overdone, however it cannot also have an unmerited presence. If it does, then that's an inappropriate use.

-- Peoplemover "Walt is never dead & never has to die unless we voluntarily disregared what he taught through his methods." Matt

[linklewtt]

^^I respect Walt's talents and creativity, but the "Walt Excuse" I am referring to is that just because POTC was the last project he ever worked on it should remain untouchable...that's the overused excuse i am talking about.

As for quality and profability/cost, it seems to me that both are being addressed by these new additions to POTC. of course much profit will come from those going to Disneyland, but a great deal of work and effort is also being put into the new project. Quality special effects are being put into this, forgive me, "aging E-ticket" to make it shine as never before. Yes, those quality special effects do come with movie tie-ins, but they are creative and top-notch nonetheless. It's one thing if Disney would be sacrificing POTC for cheap movie stuff, but they aren't. In fact they are sacrificing almost nothing, except the ship and capt.

But again, these additions seem to be very creative, of the highest quality, and meant for fans of the movie and fans of the ride itself to come together as one. I mean you could say that this new project will cater even more to Disneygoers, those that love the ride, those that love the movie, and those that love both. Creativity and quality are not issues here.

And it is true, Walt does not have to die. As xfkirsten said, Walt stated that Disneyland is always changing...this was one of his methods of learning and teaching, was it not, that times change and cause change to occur. So it seems that WDI is following by example.

[Animatronic Budgie]

I'm all for cleaning up the ride -- fixing some of animatronics, adding better sound and lighting -- but I was hesitant about adding in Barbossa and Sparrow. After reading an article about the proposed changes, however, I'm not as uneasy about the idea. It doesn't sound like the changes are going to be a slap-you-in-the-face type of change. It'll be more subtle. Really, the pirate ship is cool, but will it be that big of a deal it gets a new name, some tattered sails and a new captain? Also, the appearances of Sparrow are quite minor.

The one thing I really would be upset if they changed is the skeletal pirate steering the wrecked ship.

[PeoplemoverMatt]

That's the 'hurricane scene' that's suppposed to look nothing like how it is now, I believe.

-- PMM :cool:

[Animatronic Budgie]

That's the 'hurricane scene' that's suppposed to look nothing like how it is now, I believe.

-- PMM :cool:



Pffft. Stupid Disney always messing up the things I like. Bunch of jerks. :mad:


From Mice Age:

The "Hurricane Scene", the "Crews Quarters Scene", the "Captains Quarters Scene" and the "Treasure Scene" will all be unchanged visually except for a few new props used in the movie, but Davy Jones will offer a dialogue via the new audio system that will set up the tale of a marauding crew of pirates who are searching for their double-agent shipmate Jack Sparrow.


So, the changes should be minor, but changes nonetheless. I guess I'll have to see it before I can pass judgement.

[Ezra]

The Haunted Mansion with an Eddie Murphy AA.:icon_shoc

You know... You could replace the current caretaker with an Eddie Murphy holding a lantern... Hmmm..... Naah. Nevermind

[111702]

You know... You could replace the current caretaker with an Eddie Murphy holding a lantern... Hmmm..... Naah. Nevermind

That would actually be very understandable, and it would make sense. The only problem is that the Caretaker is almost an icon and the change would upset about 99.9% of the people on this site, and everywhere in the world.

Like I said, it's a very smart idea and it makes sense, but fans wouldn't like it.

[Disneyland_Wolf]

NO NOT THE CARETAKER AND HIS DOG!!! :mad:

Dick o' Dell is a cool resident of the Haunted Mansion.

No Eddie Murphy! He was kind of dumb in the movie. So never replace Dell the caretaker of the Haunted Mansion.

[Ezra]

NO NOT THE CARETAKER AND HIS DOG!!! :mad:

Dick o' Dell is a cool resident of the Haunted Mansion.

No Eddie Murphy! He was kind of dumb in the movie. So never replace Dell the caretaker of the Haunted Mansion.

I was just kidding! :icon_roll

[barfownz]

i am going to be disopointed about this, but if you think twice it won't be shuch a bad idea, they are just changing some of the soundtrack and add more anamatronics

[Executioner]

I really hope they do not add annything from the movies to the ride.

[barfownz]

i am sorry they are, jack sparrow is going to be added and the black pearl is too and some more stuff

[111702]

I can't wait to see the new effect with Davy Jones in the cave that is now used as just darkness and has a scary narrative!:eek: (Wow that was a long sentence!)

IMPORATANT: Sorry if this sounds like advertising, but it is NOT!:icon_excl

For those of you who LOVE POTC, try getting/finding "Pirates of the Caribbean: From the Magic Kingdom to the Movies"! It's a GREAT book by a person who used to work in WDI and also made "The Haunted Mansion: From The Magic Kingdom to the Movies"! It has a LOT of info about the POTC's around the world, and a tid-bit of info on upcoming effects and the new movies!

Oh yeah, and on a side note, I think they are adding a few ship remnants into the water so the ships look sunken and the water looks way deeper (because it only shows the crows nest and mast).:wink:

[barfownz]

i heard it was davy jones saying dead men teel no tales all along

[dctrdez]

Now if only they would get this serious with some other rides....*cough* *cough* Star Tours *cough* *cough* excuse me...

[Disneyland_Wolf]

Star Tours defintely needs a new film and a major refurbishment.

[barfownz]

i know, the star tours film has the worst quality ever!

[111702]

Getting a LITTLE off topic with Star Tours stuff! If you want to talk about it, go to the proper thread!:smile:

[barfownz]

yes, we know. let the mods do the talk though :)

[111702]

yes, we know. let the mods do the talk though :)

..........Finland......(That's my new way of saying fine:icon_lol: )!

[Dead Men Tell No Tales]

We can only hope the pearl and jack are added to the mix.

[DutoPuck]

j/w...is the voice of the skull at the beginning supposed to be like the spirit of davy jones? that would be cool and make some sense right?

[sammynic14]

Does Anybody know when Pirates of the Carribean 2 is going to come out into theatres?

[AlexLoup]

July 7th... and I can't wait.

[Disneyland_Wolf]

Read this article from Wikipedia:

2006 Changes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirates_of_the_Caribbean)

[PeoplemoverMatt]

Link no worky.

-- Peoplemover "Yeah that sounded intelligent...I've been reduced to the vocabulary of a crustacean! *runs away screaming* " Matt

EDIT: Link now works.

[AlexLoup]

I've read it, and I'm not to thrilled. Maybe it is still just a rumor, Wikipedia gets their infor from regular people.

[ClassicDisney]

it will be so cool. things need change sometimes, and it will change again in the future... i gaurentee you

No original disneyland ride has been left untouched. new facade paintings, vehicles, and holiday versions have been made.

Times change, things change, DISNEY changes, its life.

[Disneyland_Wolf]

Walt Disney wants some things to change.

[pepperxp]

I think I'm not seeing something. You're all overjoyed about these changes. But look, they are destroying a classic, and an especially important one. I agree, some rides need some serious updating. But this one, Walt's last and arguably his favorite can't just be modernized. I'm not fond of the new Pirates movies (they're ok), but the ride shouldn't adapt for the movie. The MOVIE should adapt for the ride!
Okay, I'm done.;)

[111702]

I think I'm not seeing something. You're all overjoyed about these changes. But look, they are destroying a classic, and an especially important one. I agree, some rides need some serious updating. But this one, Walt's last and arguably his favorite can't just be modernized. I'm not fond of the new Pirates movies (they're ok), but the ride shouldn't adapt for the movie. The MOVIE should adapt for the ride!
Okay, I'm done.;)

Look at your signature and rethink that...

Now look at the posts above and rethink it too...

[ClassicDisney]

Yeah, I'm not being insensative trust me. I love the classics, especially pirates just as much as anything else. I watch the Wonderful World of Color portion of the pirates DVD all of the time! So yeah, I undersatnd that Walt loved it, but Walt loved making people happy also... Also, if they take it apart, it can also be remade! :) that is what is wonderful about disney. They dont throw aways anything... take the subs and electrical parade for instance! It will be ok

[AlexLoup]

But if they completely make it into the movie... then what's the point. It'll be the ride based off a movie based off the same ride. If they stick certain scenes fine, but change the thing and it'll ruin it.

[Mickey55]

I just want the ride to stay the same.

[CLASSIC HM]

I want them to keep the Paul Frees and Thurl Ravenscroft audio tracks from the ride intact.

[111702]

OMG! WTH(eck)!:icon_roll

This isn't supposed to be a rant page! All I see are people complaining about the change! Is it really THAT BAD!?:icon_shoc

It's probably just the anticipation of what it will be like and how suttle the change will be. Hopefully, seeing how long it is closing, the changes won't be TOO suttle so I can't notice anything. I really want to see the new Davy Jones effect and the cool new Ship Battle scene (along with the new cannonball-over-the-head-effect similar to the Indy Poison Dart effect)! Those are what I REALLY want to see! Oh yeah, and maybe some of the action based music from the movie during the Ship Battle, that would really spice things up!:biggrin:

[PeoplemoverMatt]

Yes, it is that bad. This ride is going to die a meaningless death for marketing. The ride does very well for 35+ years, but since the movie franchise based on it made a surprisingly huge sum of cash, it needs to be changed. Yeah, that makes sense.

-- Peoplemover ":icon_roll :icon_evil " Matt

[Executioner]

Yes, it is that bad. This ride is going to die a meaningless death for marketing. The ride does very well for 35+ years, but since the movie franchise based on it made a surprisingly huge sum of cash, it needs to be changed. Yeah, that makes sense.

-- Peoplemover ":icon_roll :icon_evil " Matt

I am with you on this one Matt. I don't really like what they want to do and or are going to do with it. It is one thing to change the AA's around a little or update the effects and sound, but this is ridiculous. I am still trying to get over the fact they had changed it to appease certain groups of people. That kind of changing is just stupid to me.

[linklewtt]

You shouldn't jump to conclusions. Sure, you may disagree with it, but you should not judge a book by it's cover, or even before it's been made!

[Executioner]

I just don't like how everything has to be themed or re-themed to some movie nowadays. There are some exceptions, such as Space Mountain for example. What happened to originality? Truthfully, the very idea itself bugs me. I am not saying I won't go on it, I not really going to enjoy it as much. I already don't due to the other changes that had been made.

[Disneyland_Wolf]

Uncle Walt! We need you back!

[111702]

Uncle Walt! We need you back!

WALT WAS YOUR UNCLE!?:eek: ...jk...:tongue:

Anyway, I guess I'll just have to admit that most people will NEVER be happy with the changes...:frown:

[GRUMPYRULES]

Did you see this new article on miceage? re: pirates?!?!? I'm so upset!!! I hope they work it out so it's not too different...
http://www.miceage.com/allutz/al110805a.htm
Since i was a child ,pirates has been my favorite,I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.I hope they don't do to much damage though.I have three daughters who absolutely adore pirates,I suppose as technology increases,so does the demand of the public.

[xfkirsten]

You shouldn't jump to conclusions. Sure, you may disagree with it, but you should not judge a book by it's cover, or even before it's been made!

I'd have to agree with this statement. That attitude has served me well! :smile:

As I understand it, the changes are not horribly major. They're not gutting and redoing the whole ride! It will still be Pirates, there will just be added elements. I, for one, will wait until I see it to make a judgement call on whether or not I like the changes. :smile:

[PeoplemoverMatt]

I'm not making a pre-mature judgment call, I'm sad over the fact the changes are taking place at all. It doesn't make any sense to me why it needs/deserves to be altered just because of box office revenues. It's pretty sad that a staple of Disneyland history and a Disney signature attraction falls in the name of attracting celebrities/showcasing a movie that could be a lemon. Matrix Reloaded anyone?

-- Peoplemover "Dead Rides Tell No Tales..." Matt

[xfkirsten]

I wouldn't say it's showcasing a movie that could be a lemon... yes, I'm sure that the changes are meant to coincide with the release of POTC 2 as a publicity measure, but doesn't the success of the first movie warrant some merit? IMHO, if they can successfully integrate it into the ride, I don't see a problem with it. At the risk of beating a long-dead horse...
"Disneyland will never be completed. It will continue to grow as long as there is imagination left in the world."

[DeadMenTellNoTales]

"Disneyland will never be completed. It will continue to grow as long as there is imagination left in the world."
This is a qoute that has been brought up alot in regards to the changes being made to POTC, but when you really think about, where does imagination come into play with this specific case. All they are doing is changing a ride to be more like the movie that was INSIPRED by the ride. That doesn't require a whole lot of imagination, in my opinion WDI took the easy route in deciding to just fashion the changes after a movie. Imagination has absolutly nothing to do with the proposed changes being made. Yeah there are some special effects, but those effects are only being made because of the success of the movie. Now, if the movie had never been made and WDI decided to install changes to the ride, this qoute would have alot more validity.

[Executioner]

This is a qoute that has been brought up alot in regards to the changes being made to POTC, but when you really think about, where does imagination come into play with this specific case. All they are doing is changing a ride to be more like the movie that was INSIPRED by the ride. That doesn't require a whole lot of imagination, in my opinion WDI took the easy route in deciding to just fashion the changes after a movie. Imagination has absolutly nothing to do with the proposed changes being made. Yeah there are some special effects, but those effects are only being made because of the success of the movie. Now, if the movie had never been made and WDI decided to install changes to the ride, this qoute would have alot more validity.

I was thinking the same thing. That is not imagination that is capitalization.

[xfkirsten]

This is a qoute that has been brought up alot in regards to the changes being made to POTC, but when you really think about, where does imagination come into play with this specific case. All they are doing is changing a ride to be more like the movie that was INSIPRED by the ride. That doesn't require a whole lot of imagination, in my opinion WDI took the easy route in deciding to just fashion the changes after a movie. Imagination has absolutly nothing to do with the proposed changes being made. Yeah there are some special effects, but those effects are only being made because of the success of the movie. Now, if the movie had never been made and WDI decided to install changes to the ride, this qoute would have alot more validity.

I was thinking the same thing. That is not imagination that is capitalization.

IMHO, the two are not neccessarily exclusive! You can capitalize off something imaginative. The way I see it, the movie was imaginative. It was a fun, swashbuckling romp based on the ride. Now, if the ride all of a sudden wasn't going to feel "pirate-y" anymore, or the animatronics were going to look like the ones in Pooh (completely unthemed to the rest of the attraction) then I would agree with you. But that doesn't sound like it will be the case. You'll still be immersed in that pirate world!

As far as taking cues from the movie... there's entire rides in the park (Fantasyland especially) that do just that! Would you say that those are unimaginative as well? I don't think that taking cues from a movie automatically negates their creative value.

[DeadMenTellNoTales]

there's entire rides in the park (Fantasyland especially) that do just that! Would you say that those are unimaginative as well?

Those rides however were created to be fashioned after their respective movies. Peter Pan's flight did not inspire Peter Pan the movie, nor did the Tea Cups have any role in Disney creating Alice in Wonderland. They were all created after their movies premiered. With POTC this is not the case, the ride was created a good 30+ years before the movie even went into production. And none of those rides feature an overrated teen craze as the center of the ride.

Did Walt say the park will always be changing? Yes, but does that mean that whenever a prosperous movie is released a ride has to be created or completely changed? no, there are differant ways for Disney to promote their movies without creating a new ride or destorying another. And as for all of the Fantasyland rides being fashioned after movies, all of those movies are classics that won't be forgotten in 5-7 years like POTC 1, 2 and 3.

[SilentMickey]

My question is if the POTC movie had never come out and lets say Disney decided to change the ride and add a few things would everybody still be upset? The Jungle Cruise has been in the park since it opened and recently they added a few things I didn't hear that much fuss over it.(maybe I was under my rock or something) My point is are we mad because of the movie or the changes in general. Just wondering.

[111702]

CAN"T YOU SEE THIS RIDE IS TEARING US ALL APART!?!?:eek:

(...lol...but it is):frown:

[PeoplemoverMatt]

My question is if the POTC movie had never come out and lets say Disney decided to change the ride and add a few things would everybody still be upset? The Jungle Cruise has been in the park since it opened and recently they added a few things I didn't hear that much fuss over it.(maybe I was under my rock or something) My point is are we mad because of the movie or the changes in general. Just wondering.

That's a good point, the answer would most likely be no. Reason being is whatever changes they would be, they would still be unique to the ride, and have nothing to do with a recent money-maker flick which just happens to have 2 sequels coming out soon.

-- Peoplemover "They should build a building with a sign in front that reads 'site of future attraction based on 2008 blockbuster Disney summer movie' " Matt

[xfkirsten]

Those rides however were created to be fashioned after their respective movies. Peter Pan's flight did not inspire Peter Pan the movie, nor did the Tea Cups have any role in Disney creating Alice in Wonderland. They were all created after their movies premiered. With POTC this is not the case, the ride was created a good 30+ years before the movie even went into production. And none of those rides feature an overrated teen craze as the center of the ride.

Well then I think this is just a flat out difference of opinion between you and I in this case. I don't see any problem with the inspiration working both ways on a ride - sure, POTC the ride inspired the movie, but I think it's great that they can take a much-loved facet of the movie and place it in the ride (so long as it's done well). And as for POTC being an "overrated teen craze," I think your bias is showing. :p While the teen age group is the one most clearly latched onto it (or at least the most vocal on the Internet about their love for it), it was thoroughly enjoyed by a wide range of ages. For example, both of my parents loved it as well, and are eagerly awaiting the next installment. I can say the same for some of their friends as well - I've heard them talking about it. :smile:

Did Walt say the park will always be changing? Yes, but does that mean that whenever a prosperous movie is released a ride has to be created or completely changed? no, there are differant ways for Disney to promote their movies without creating a new ride or destorying another. And as for all of the Fantasyland rides being fashioned after movies, all of those movies are classics that won't be forgotten in 5-7 years like POTC 1, 2 and 3.

I don't see this as completely changing the ride. It's changing elements of the ride. And of course there are different ways to promote a new movie. But there's also ways to celebrate an already-successful movie - which is what I see happening here.

[PeoplemoverMatt]

Well, we knew this could happen if the movie(s) did well. Guess it's a good thing Haunted Mansion tanked at the box office no?

-- Peoplemover "I shudder to think what could have happened there :eek:" Matt

[barfownz]

But.....Why are they making a new POTC ride based on based on the movie when the movie was based on the ride? I think we need to think about that.

[AlexLoup]

I heard that since DLR doesn't have a Water Park they are going to build one around the movie, becasue if they changed the attraction they would get angry letters. (Which they will be getting if they do.)

[Ezra]

I don't have a problem with adding elements to the attraction. I think that new elements like new swordfighting pirates in the town, better canonball and gunfire effects, and ghostly manifestations in the lost grotto actually "plus the show". I think that's great. I hear the swordfighting pirates in the Paris version are pretty neat!

What bothers me is when new elements change the story of the attraction. The story of the classic attraction is this: You, the guest, are escorted by an experienced (though unseen) sailor through the secret hideouts of long dead pirates, and then witness as living pirates attack and overtake a Spanish fort. You are the star of the story, and it's a pretty good adventure tale.

Will the attraction have a new story? Jack Sparrow and his clever and daring escape from the ghostly Davey Jones and his old nemesis, Capt. Barbossa? Or will the new elements be subtle enough that they won't affect the story? Will the guest still be the star of the story? If you haven't seen the movies, will the attraction still make sense? Or will you just wonder why you should care about this Jack Sparrow guy?

If Barbossa is attacking the fort to recover the gold, then great! That's what pirates do anyway! That's what the old captain is doing now... But if he's attacking the fort because they're harbouring Jack Sparrow, then it's not your adventure anymore is it? Let's say you've been living under a rock and haven't seen the movie...would you understand what's happening? Would you care about it?

If the imagineers are clever about this, and make the changes subtle enough to fit the existing story, then I'm all for it. I just want the story, the basic concept of the attraction, to remain the same.
I admit it's possible, and I hope they can pull it off. I'll have to reserve judgement until next year when I see it for myself. There's nothing to be done about it anyway...

[AlexLoup]

I agree on that, as long as it is done in good taste.

[emman]

well its their decision anyway, seeing jack there will attract more of the young audience, and keeping the same story will... just attract the old fans like us, someone metioned that walt said that disneyland will never be finished as long as there is imagination left in the world, and thats what they are doing, they are continuing walts original story, though some elements will change most of the ride will remain untouched so stop crying, its not that they will tear the whole thing down, they will just change a few things

[PeoplemoverMatt]

I wonder how much imagination is left in the world when we have to change an attraction born out of sheer imagination because the movie loosely based on it made a few bucks & 2 sequels are coming out.

-- Peoplemover " *cough* LAME! *cough* " Matt

[Executioner]

I wonder how much imagination is left in the world when we have to change an attraction born out of sheer imagination because the movie loosely based on it made a few bucks & 2 sequels are coming out.

-- Peoplemover " *cough* LAME! *cough* " Matt

Ha Ha!! It sure doesn't take much imagination to even make a movie off a ride either. Desperation or going cheap? Maybe even both.

[dctrdez]

It's gotta be a bureaucratic lack of taking risks. They know that the Johnny Depp Pirates of the Caribbean works with the public, so they are going to stick with what works. The same obviously goes for the rash of Pixar-based rides in other parts of the resort. It's anyone's best guess whether this strategy in Imagineering is going to work or not. Case study? Tarzan's Treehouse. As the movie it's based on slips farther and farther into the past, does the attraction still maintain interest?
Perhaps the Disneyland Resort underestimates its audience. We expect Disney to gove us over and above, therefore we notice it when it's not quite as over and above.

[disneyson]

^^

I think that was a bad example of tarzan because that's kinda a classic.A better example is monsters inc.

[dlandman56]

I need help in settling a minor family disagreement. It involves the old man in the rocking chair on porch of the house in the bayou, where you can hear the banjo playing. My wife says he used to talk. And to make it worse, she has a friend who agrees with her. I went on Pirates in May of 1967 and at least once a year since. I say he never talked ... just rocked. Can anyone confirm? My sanity is at stake!

[Executioner]

To my knowledge, no. I have never heard of him talking.

[linklewtt]

about the Tarzan thing...

that's a tough example cuz Tarzan's Treehouse isn't a ride, just a lookee-loo. Now the rides Disney makes do make the movies they are modeled after live in so to speak. For example, Disney started rereleasing movies like Cinderella, Aladdin, and others. Now these movies are very popular because we see them everday at Disneyland (or WDW). The fact that people see these rides and see these characters on a day-to-day basis boosts their popularity so much more than just a movie would. That is why Disney knows they can make good money off the movies because they know people will forever remember them.

The same goes with Pixar. In a few more years, movies like Toy Story and A Bug's Life would be history, just movies. But with the addition of rides based off these movies and their memorable characters, they are not forgotten. Rides based off of Pixar movies help the movie to be remembered always. And new kids that are brought to Disneyland who have never before seen Pixar movies will come to learn and be familiar with the characters through the rides.

So rides based off of movies is a very good formula and very smart. They really do ensure the longevity of movies. And POTC changes will ensure the longevity of POTC the movie.

[PeoplemoverMatt]

I think you've got it backwards. Cinderella & Aladdin are Disney legends because they were movies who are timeless classics on their own. Disneyland just gave us the chance to become a part of their magic ourselves. They never needed Disneyland to become classics, nor are they classics because of Disneyland. Are they more well-known for being there? Sure, but their presence doesn't make them the timeless classics they are.

Same goes with the Pixar flicks. Toy Story and Bug's Life are already fairly dated movies & having them in the park makes Disney seem like they now have to depend on movies for stuff to put in the parks. This causes the same symptoms I've been saying. By simply going for a theme based off the latest cash cow flick, the park will descend into a hollow and incredibly dated shell of its former self. I'm sorry, but I do not grant lifetime classic status for a movie like Tarzan or Chicken Little because they have a park presence. To me, that merely looks like shameless self-advertisement. No amount of their trying to get me to do that by putting them in the parks is going to change my mind. Those movies simply are not on that level. Stop trying to get me to immortalize your latest bare-budget concoction and give me something that I'll voluntarily hold in high esteem. They used to know how to do that.

Disneyland needs more uniqueness like Small World, Matterhorn, Space Mountain, Haunted Mansion, Jungle Cruise, Thunder Mountain, Soarin', and Tower (Tower is based off old Twilight Zone TV show that very little people remember, and they creating a fakey "lost" episode to base the ride on, therefore I consider it unique). These are what make Disneyland a great place & will continue to make Disneyland great for years to come. Creating movie franchises and sucking life out of the theme parks in a vain attempt to push them over will create dependency on Disney putting out good movies. I know Disneyland is better than that. We know Disneyland is better than that. It's about time Disney management also knew that!

-- Peoplemover "I like what I like, not what I'm told to like" Matt

[dctrdez]

about the Tarzan thing...

that's a tough example cuz Tarzan's Treehouse isn't a ride, just a lookee-loo. Now the rides Disney makes do make the movies they are modeled after live in so to speak. For example, Disney started rereleasing movies like Cinderella, Aladdin, and others. Now these movies are very popular because we see them everday at Disneyland (or WDW). The fact that people see these rides and see these characters on a day-to-day basis boosts their popularity so much more than just a movie would. That is why Disney knows they can make good money off the movies because they know people will forever remember them.

The same goes with Pixar. In a few more years, movies like Toy Story and A Bug's Life would be history, just movies. But with the addition of rides based off these movies and their memorable characters, they are not forgotten. Rides based off of Pixar movies help the movie to be remembered always. And new kids that are brought to Disneyland who have never before seen Pixar movies will come to learn and be familiar with the characters through the rides.

So rides based off of movies is a very good formula and very smart. They really do ensure the longevity of movies. And POTC changes will ensure the longevity of POTC the movie.

I think what you're stating here can be a good example of the corporate view of Disney. Everything within the Disney company works to the advancement of the entire company. Therefore, what you say is true, concerning the role that the theme parks division takes in exposing its audience to the product in a way that no movie theater can. The result? More opportunities to make more money. The theme parks are very good at doing this. This is why Disney invests so much into its theme parks. They control your interests and stimulations while in the park. Thus, when a product (say, a Pixar movie) is successfully promoted and consumed outside the theme park, what better way is there to take away our money than by pandering to those emotions of the product that we carry in with us through the turnstiles. Not to mention getting some people to come to the park in the first place.

I think what PeoplemoverMatt and I are saying is that we endorse Disneyland for Disneyland's sake, not just the corporation's sake. I think Disneyland should be more careful with the way they build their attractions and general image--not becoming a repository of old Disney movies (that's Fantasyland's job), but to be more as Walt envisioned it in its entirety.

P.S. not to say that all such attractions are bad, but I'm just waiting for the attraction that breaks the camel's back. I want a Disneyland I can return to with my kids where they won't have to ask me why over half of Disneyland is closed down because they are tearing out the old Pixar rides...

[Executioner]

I hate how everyone has to capitalize on movies nowadays. I just saw your movie and enjoyed it, I don't want to live it, OK? What happened to Disney being innoventors? And don't come back with "well all the new rides have new technology that is ground breaking." So what. It does not have originality.

[linklewtt]

^^well, that's what Disneyland is, and probably forever will be.It's just a safer bet to rely on movie-inspired rides. If Disneyland made an Aladdin ride or Lilo and Stitch ride I guarantee you that many people would want to go on it not just because it's new but because their kids say "Lilo and Stitch? I love that movie! Let's go on the ride!" Ride-based movies are familiar to us because we know the characters, we know how they act, we have our favorites. We really like certain characters and the movies those characters are in and it's cool to see them in the parks.

Now innovation with rides having nothing to do with movies is also cool. But it is a slightly riskier thing. Case in point: DCA. Now here's a place that when it first opened did not have anything inspired by Disney movies (except Hollywood Backlot and Tough to be a Bug). And look what happened...it's so much less popular than Disneyland.

Popularity did go up slightly though with the addition of more movie-based rides like A Bug's Land and the upcoming Monsters Inc. A parade inspired by Pixar movies also helps to bring at least some people. So management sees how having something familiar to the audience helps the park as a whole. Now Disneyland will do just fine having more rides that have nothing to do with movies, but DCA would not survive. So i think we should expect to see more and more movie-based rides, no matter how much people may disagree with them.

Innovation is a wonderful tool, but the fact remains that it will take a backseat to familiarity and profits most if not all of the time. Sorry.

[disneyson]

^^

What he said.

[terryb]

What's next? Giving the Peter Pan ride a "Hook" with Robin Williams theme. (Hook wasn't Disney me thinks).
But let's see ... Sleeping Beauty Castle - Movie, Alice in Wonderland, Mr. Toads Wild Ride - Movie based, Roger Rabbit - need I saw more, Tom Sawyer Island - book, Splash Mountain - Song of the South, etc...
Disneyland is and always has been a mix of story/movie based attractions as well as new creative attractions. I do miss Walt's visions of what's fun, but bonus points for Splash Mountain, Indy, and Space Mountain..

[Disneyland_Wolf]

Hook is defintely not a Disney movie (but can be a great disney movie).

The movie was directed by Steven Spielberg and it was developed by Tristar and Columbia Pictures,

[linklewtt]

^^besides, one's a cartoon and the other's live action, so it would just be freaky and weird

[Poisoned_Apple]

so it's been awhile since i've said something here. this brought me out of my cave...

this whole PotC situation is like when you're favorite band hits it big and their video is on MtV all the time. you want them to be recognized btu can't help longing for what used to be. PotC was my second love (HM being first) & yes, hooray for disney for cashing in when the iron's hot- but there is a line that shouldn't be crossed. adding a few new special effects and slight movie tie-ins could be great, but turning it into an Indiana Jones-type adventure could really put a damper on my DL visits.

but heavens, do i love Pirates.

[SubmarinemanKevin]

Well I do not know if anybody had posted this but anyways.. I think it is a real shame on account before Walt died that was the last ride he worked on..He even stated that was his favorite ride.. And he liked it the way it was.. But there going to change it. Thats ruining it all... They need to keep the ride original.. Sure it'd be cool to see a few times but don't keep it up for years and years!!!!!

[Disneyland_Wolf]

Come on, the attraction is a true 'classic'. It should stayed original and it needs new lighting and digital sound quality. They should also repair the animatronic's clothes and skin.

[SubmarinemanKevin]

True but still it should stay original..

[linklewtt]

Well I do not know if anybody had posted this but anyways.. I think it is a real shame on account before Walt died that was the last ride he worked on..He even stated that was his favorite ride.. And he liked it the way it was.. But there going to change it. Thats ruining it all... They need to keep the ride original.. Sure it'd be cool to see a few times but don't keep it up for years and years!!!!!

HA! I can't tell you how many times someone has said that! It's the Walt Excuse and although true, so what? They did it to Jungle Cruise, Small World, and other attractions Walt worked on. Just cuz POTC is his favorite doesn't mean a few changes can be made. but this subject is tired and worn out. i think we all know where we stand on the issue, but what's more we also all know that it will happen no matter what. So just try to wait it out and enjoy!

[disneyson]

Oooooo... harsh.

[Ezra]

They did it to Jungle Cruise, Small World, and other attractions Walt worked on... Not small world. I wish! Now there's an attraction I would love to see re-worked. The soundtrack especially. The Bobby Hammock soundtrack sounds just like all his other work, on The Laurence Welk Show! Jeepers! It makes me want to go ice skating, or somethin'...
I read somewhere that at Disneyland Paris it has a new soundtrack by John Debney. I've never heard it, but I'm sure it's got to be better. Keep all the Mary Blair figures but change that frumpy music white boy!

[RollingBoulder]

Didnt they use the DLP soundtrack for awhile? Or am I just thinking of the piant job?

*EDIT* Looking through my iPod, I noticed the 2001 Disneyland Album version of IASW is different than the one on the new 50th Album. The 2001 version seems to be more of a classical version of the song (Something Debney would probably compose).

[bluechaos1]

Im not mad im excited

[Mighty Unicorn]

The reason that it would be a shame is that there was a whole different world of entertainment out there when Pirates was made.

You will hear a lot of smarmy, immature comments such as "wah wah, go ahead and cry" comments from smarmy, immature children (in this case, "children" is a term that is placed on those who have a very low maturity level, and a very high ignorance level). Don't blame them. They don't know any better. They don't know what it means to have been going to a very special place for over 30 years and expecting it to be just as special for another 30 years. And I don't expect them to be able to comprehend this concept for quite some time. For them, a good piece of entertainment is the latest abomination of a movie made from the theme of a VIDEOGAME, or perhaps writing commentary with English skills comparable to those of a mentally challenged chimpanzee. I am, of course, referring to the people posting comments to the older members of this forum with a huge degree of disrespect based on their interpretation of anyone older than 25 as having a worthless, out-of-date point of view.

Let's not forget, the movie was themed on the RIDE. Now what do you want? You want another cheesy, temporary, flash-in-the-pan ride that is based on an interpretation of the original??? I have been riding on POTC since I was a child. It has remained basically the same, and I think that it is a work of perfection.

Nothing would be more disgusting to me than a tribute to Johnny Depp, and doing it Movie Studio Style. Ugh. No brains, no imagination, no appreciation, no taste. Make the bucks, make 'em fast, and then change everything to satisfy the ever-shortening attention spans and intelligence quotients of the American People. Sad.

If you want cheap thrills, go to Magic Mountain. They have a "new ride" there every five minutes... Just slap on some different colored paint, a few new cheesy signs, and PRESTO! A "new" rollercoaster based on the latest horrifyingly stupid hollywood disaster.

Disneyland IS Disneyland because it is ALREADY DIFFERENT! This is yet another step in the ugly homogenization of the park.

Perhaps we should make a really classy move, and just retheme POTC after "Meet The Osbournes"!!! SWEET (Yes, that was a joke, but some people might actually believe it's a good idea... lord help us all)!

Yours Very Truly,

Hans

[RollingBoulder]

^ Well said.

I think a nod to the movie would be sufficient. Put in a Jack Sparrow AA in the jail and leave it at that. It was a great movie, but let's just let the fans (including myself) watch their DVDs and leave the ride alone for the most part.
I'm definitely not against a big update to the ride, but if it involves changing the story, then no thanks.

[PeoplemoverMatt]

If you want cheap thrills, go to Magic Mountain. They have a "new ride" there every five minutes... Just slap on some different colored paint, a few new cheesy signs, and PRESTO! A "new" rollercoaster based on the latest horrifyingly stupid hollywood disaster.


Wait, wait, whoa, Six Flags bases their rides on something? :icon_ques

-- PMM :tongue:

[disneyson]

Six flags puts their rides in diffrent "areas".(Under breath:"they still don't theme it,for all I care,they coud call superman kindaka and kingdaka superman if they changed the paint colors".)

[arrowfanman]

^ There is a big difference between a theme, and just having scenery.

I just read the Pirates of the Caribbean: From the Magic Kingdom to the Movies book, by Jason Surrell. I was curious to see if he mentioned anything about the rumored changes, and sure enough, in the last column of the whole book:

(Quote from book)

...At the same time, Imagineers are now at work making changes that will allow Captain Jack and his crew to sail into three dimensions at the Disney parks. There are now and will be entire generations of guests whose first experience with Pirates of the Caribbean might very well take place in a movie theater, creating a very different set of expectations that they will bring with them when they visit the Magic Kingdom. And so it is likely only a matter of time before the world sees an attraction based on a film adapted from another attraction inspired by still other films, taking Pirates of the Caribbean from the Magic Kingdom to the Movies--and back again.

Of the future, only one thing is certain and perhaps Captain Jack himself put it best: "Bring me that horizon."

Now, while the majority of the quote, I believe, references the rumored Hong Kong Pirates of the Caribbean, I still can see this referencing the DL changes.



And Hans...you gotta calm down dude! I do not disrespect your point of view and I understand that you have a personal attachment to the ride. But personally, I think your being a bit closeminded to simply blame the change on the youth, as I constantly run into a larger part of adults who are ever less-entertained by the attraction for that exact reason--it is the same thing they have been seing for 38 years. They would like a change.

[Executioner]

I think I would almost like them to tear out the ride instead of this. In fact..... I would. Upsetting it is.

[arrowfanman]

^ How does that help anything? You would rather have no PotC expirence, rather than a changed expirence?

...thats taking it a bit too far, IMO.

[Executioner]

Wasn't it bad enough when they changed it over to appease certain groups of people (and I am trying to be polite about those groups)? That I am still dealing with, but at least it is still original. Now they want to change it to match a movie. Well, now it will no longer be POTC but a ride to remind you of the movie you just watched. Let's go one step further and rename Disneyland to Disney's Movieland. I know I am sounding ridiculous to some, but I feel it is ridiculous what is going on. Do we really have to live the movies? I thought that is what Universal Studios was for, and what kind of competition are they anyway? So again I say tear out the ride or leave it alone.

[arrowfanman]

You act as if Disney is doing this, in effort to kill their past. You guys act as if they are just doing this because they want to fart on X Atencio. You act as if its a conspiracy to ruin what was built in your childhoods. Well, your wrong. They aren't adding this for any of those reasons. They aren't adding this to appease Jerry Bruckheimer, Johnny Depp, or Geoffery Rush!

From John Hench's book, Designing Disney:

Our guests know that we design for them. They know that we refer to and think of them as guests, and not as customers or clients. This explains in part why guests feel that they own the park. Many have written to us expressing this sense of ownership.One guest wrote Disney CEO Michael Eisner a letter complaining about a newspaper report about changes that were under consideration for Walt Disney World. The guest, clearly concerned, wrote, "I want you to know that you are fooling around with my park."

Now, you guys are that guest in the letter. After all, we are all concerned about the attraction. However, just note, they are making these changes because they have expirenced a minor concern from a large, large amount of people. A group of people much larger than any of you. So sure, you can spit on this, you can spit on them, and say "this whole thing is an evil corporate plot to make money." But in reality, its simply what Disney has been doing for 50 years--working for the guest. ...the average guest.

[linklewtt]

hear hear! 'sides, there's absolutely nothing you who are opposed to it can do. nothing. so just breathe in and breathe out and embrace with a smile, even it's a fake one.

[PeoplemoverMatt]

You're right there's nothing we can do to stop from changing the thing, but we don't have to take it with a smile on our faces. You may get a great kick out of movie-based rides, but I'm never giving up the fight for originality & creativity!

-- Peoplemover "Besides...where do you think all those wonderful flicks the rides get based off of come from?" Matt

[Executioner]

You're right there's nothing we can do to stop from changing the thing, but we don't have to take it with a smile on our faces. You may get a great kick out of movie-based rides, but I'm never giving up the fight for originality & creativity!

-- Peoplemover "Besides...where do you think all those wonderful flicks the rides get based off of come from?" Matt

I fully agree with that. Besides, it sounds like most of you want movie based rides instead of original and creative rides. Not me. It is almost as bad as reality T.V. Man do I hate reality shows. Garbage it is. Actually.... It is as bad. No creativity or originality. Only $$$$$$ signs.

[AlexLoup]

Here, Here. It's nice that you want change, but to a classic? Never. I just sent them a letter. My friends want the change. I'm in that age range that they think would like the change.

[Turnstile]

If the imagineers are designing for the guests then why did management give us DCA? Why did they trash the Westcott idea when we were all so excited about it? I know the imagineers had their hands tied due to management. Is Mullholland Madness really themed that well? I'll take Casey Jr. anyday, thank you very much.

There ARE Holy Grails in Disneyland. There is some attraction or object that each person would like to be left alone. Some people become alarmed when the rat hologram effect stops working at Indy for goodness sake. Disneyland will never stop GROWING as long as there is imagination in the world, right? Is this to be taken literally? Growing is one thing. Replacement is a different thing. Or perhaps "growing" means replacement. Somehow, Star Tours "replaced" Adventure thru Innerspace, my holy grail. I could not for the life of me understand why there were two space travel similators in Tomorrowland at the same time, Star Tours and Mission To Mars. Did they build Star Tours in the wrong place? In my opinion, yes. Did Disneyland "Grow" with the replacement of one attraction and thru the permanent destruction of another? I was fed the "Disneyland will never stop growing" line, which somehow became a mantra that has allowed the suits to tear the entire park down. I'm sure there are those that would welcome the tearing down of the main street facades and putting up new facades and renaming it "Modern street." Or is main street a holy grail? If you mean "growing" as replacement, you shouldn't have a problem with this. One could even use the guise of "refurbishment" for "replacement." Yes, Disneyland management has let rides decay and they have removed them instead of refurbishing them. My kids cannot enjoy the musty smells or beautiful waterfalls of Rainbow Caverns (Big Thunder is not the same at all) due to negligence. Where do we draw the line?

As for Pirates of the Carribean. X calls Pirates of the Carribean the "Boyscouts of the Carribean" due to the PC changes. Not a positive response from a man that had a hand in creating the attraction. I am not against attraction enhancement. I welcome the upcoming changes as long as it is done without a storyline. Feel free to throw in Barbossa and Jack Sparrow. Do not add a storyline. I think having the Pirates "movie themed music" after the first waterfall would be cool and exciting as long as it ties into the overall theme. Scrap the scrim. Those are ghostly voices. We do not need to see the ghosts unless a hollywood theatric approach is required because our imaginations are not good enough. I like the crow's nest idea although I question why "that" skelton moves and the others do not. I like the work of Paul Frees, Thurl Ravenscroft and X. I would not mind freshly recorded dialogue for today's sound equipment, with an attempt to copy their voices. New AAs are welcome if they add to the show. Scrap the lousy ones like the two grunting pirates at the end of the ride. The "butt" sticking out and their frozen faces make for a bad show. And finally, do it Walt's way. Spare no expense, throw the kitchen sink at this and empty the company coffers for these improvements to the point of all or nothing. Walt always gambled, putting it all on the line and he got what he paid for. If the company cannot do this, then you have every right to be worried.

[linklewtt]

you know, it's not that we who like the idea of move-based rides don't like the idea of creative and original rides. i see any ride Disney creates both original and creative. yes, they are borrowing a theme and maybe a story from a movie, but the actual ride they create is original and creative.

I really can't see why a ride based on a movie has absolutely no potential for being creative in some of your eyes. many of the rides at disneyland that are based on movies are very very creative, some of them historical for being so creative (Star Tours, Indiana Jones). So don't give us this flub about how the new POTC will be "unimaginative, uncreative, unoriginal" because it will be.

And yes, you don't have to take the new changes with a smile on your faces, but the fact is that you're gonna take it. But tell me this: if you happen to like the ride, will you still hold a grudge against it? And by the end of the day, what do you hope to gain by not liking it?

[PeoplemoverMatt]

I really can't see why a ride based on a movie has absolutely no potential for being creative in some of your eyes. many of the rides at disneyland that are based on movies are very very creative, some of them historical for being so creative (Star Tours, Indiana Jones). So don't give us this flub about how the new POTC will be "unimaginative, uncreative, unoriginal" because it will be.
Really? Have you seen the changes for yourself? If not then you don't know anymore than anyone else. Yes, there have been some very original rides based on movie franchises, and Indy & Star Tours are great examples of that. However, what is happening to Pirates is far, FAR from their level. Remember the changes that Lutz described could happen. All they are basically doing is altering the existing scenes to include the upcoming Pirates movie sequels. Where is the creativity or even potential for creativity in that? Truth is, there is none. All they are doing is changing an original, beloved treasure, killing how it exists now (arguably that already happened with the PC alterations), simply to make it like the movie franchise ironically based off of it. Kill the originality in the name of bowing to the ADD crowd & make a quick buck. Argh.

And yes, you don't have to take the new changes with a smile on your faces, but the fact is that you're gonna take it. But tell me this: if you happen to like the ride, will you still hold a grudge against it? And by the end of the day, what do you hope to gain by not liking it?
They'd have to do something quite unbelieveable to make me actually like these changes. They aren't even in the same galaxy as rides like Indy or Star Tours & theirs is the level and the standard that ALL movie-based rides ought to be held to. What do I hope to gain by not liking it? I hope to gain a renewed attraction to the values of creativity and originality that are attacked each & every time stuff like this is pulled. The more times it happens, the lower the quality of experience goes & if it happens too many times, you're going to end up with a park full of Pooh's! Who wants that? Yet, that's where they are going. Is that where Disneyland should go? I hope no one in management think so, because that is a one way ticket to complete demise.

-- Peoplemover "Ride Pirates now while you can!!!" Matt

[Executioner]

Really? Have you seen the changes for yourself? If not then you don't know anymore than anyone else. Yes, there have been some very original rides based on movie franchises, and Indy & Star Tours are great examples of that. However, what is happening to Pirates is far, FAR from their level. Remember the changes that Lutz described could happen. All they are basically doing is altering the existing scenes to include the upcoming Pirates movie sequels. Where is the creativity or even potential for creativity in that? Truth is, there is none. All they are doing is changing an original, beloved treasure, killing how it exists now (arguably that already happened with the PC alterations), simply to make it like the movie franchise ironically based off of it. Kill the originality in the name of bowing to the ADD crowd & make a quick buck. Argh.


They'd have to do something quite unbelieveable to make me actually like these changes. They aren't even in the same galaxy as rides like Indy or Star Tours & theirs is the level and the standard that ALL movie-based rides ought to be held to. What do I hope to gain by not liking it? I hope to gain a renewed attraction to the values of creativity and originality that are attacked each & every time stuff like this is pulled. The more times it happens, the lower the quality of experience goes & if it happens too many times, you're going to end up with a park full of Pooh's! Who wants that? Yet, that's where they are going. Is that where Disneyland should go? I hope no one in management think so, because that is a one way ticket to complete demise.

-- Peoplemover "Ride Pirates now while you can!!!" Matt


Matt, I love your points of view. I couldn't have said it better. Anyway, I still don't like the PC changes that were made already to the ride. It is already got one foot in the grave. Shall we drive the nails in to complete it? I only ride it now to look at the unchanged things and remember the good old ride it used to be. That and the distinct smell of the ride. I am digusted by the changes already made to it.

[Piglet]

How about this old standby.... "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." I would certainly put POTC in this category. There are several areas of Disneyland that could use some sprucing up, so why they are concentrating on a ride that already "works" is beyond me. And for the record, I completely support both Hans and Matt's point of view. Keep on posting, buddies!!

[arrowfanman]

*sigh* I guess I will agree to disagree so as long as you do.

Dont get me wrong, I will miss it as it is. So stop making me sound like I am "Mr. Slay-creativity/orginality!" ...I mean, I just figured after 40 years, something losses its originality. ;)

I mean, I am just as attached as any of you are, just probably minus a few years. I even said "bye" to the attraction last trip, as it may be the last time I ride it as is!

...Ironically I might make a trip again with some friends, as a "last outing with friends before we move off to college". And coincidentally, it may land on one of the last days the ride is open....coincidentally.

[DaynaTheDisneyDork]

Alright. Well, seeing as I haven't put my input in yet...I shall.


I didn't read /every/ post on here, so I don't know what's been said. But all I know, is I enjoyed the movie alot (I -heart- Johnny Depp =3) and I think it'd be awesome to have him in the ride! ((I mean...a Johnny Depp AA? Whoa..))

But then again, I love POTC as is, and even though I love my Johnny Depp, I think that changing the ride to base it on the movie would be totally killing it.

[Ezra]

...you're going to end up with a park full of Pooh's! Matt, what a great way you have to turn a phrase! I'm ROLFMHO picturing a park full of Pooh's!

[Booster]

Um..Hi guys. I've been lurking around here for a little while, but now I feel I should add my own two-cents.

I want to cry. Honestly. This is a worst nightmare of mine coming true. I love the ride, and it just seems like shameless advertising for the upcoming movies (which don't sound very good to me, honestly). Nothing, apparantly, is sacred to Disney anymore. A good majority of my childhood was spent cruising those dark waters, and I have a great attatchment to the ride. This is like graffiting on a museum piece!

Now, don't get me wrong. I like the ride and the movie for different reasons. I wouldn't mind additions (Jack, the misty Davy Jones, etc.). These don't really mess up the ride that much. What really irks me is that the alteration of the whole storyline! I don't want the ride to tie-in with a couple of forgettable sequals! The Curse of the Black Pearl was fun because it gave nods of respect to the attraction, and it was meant to be different from the attraction. To tie it into the movies would kill a lot of the original magic Walt implimented into the ride!

Are they trying to erase history? Are they trying to phase over the truth? That the ride came first? That a theme park attraction could inspire a multi-million dollar movie, and not the other way around? Twenty years from now, people might think it's the other way around! That's the worst part! It feels like history will be denied for the benifit of brainswahing the general public into "buying" the films!

I was actually on Pirates yesterday with some friends, and it felt horrible to think things would change in the future! I admit that I teared up slightly as I cruised around the sandbar near the end and heard the instrumental theme playing in the background. It was bittersweet.

But I will not give in! If anyone feels thje same way as I (and a lot of you do), I encourage you to stand up to them! Contact Disney any way you can! Write a letter! Send an email! Just as long as you express your disapproval of the changes. The more people that speak up, the more likely we won't see our beloved attraction messed with!

...Phew! Sorry about that. I needed to rant...

[linklewtt]

Please, write letters, contact Disney, do this do that. But at the end of the day your hard work will be worth nothing. It sucks to be so blatantly honest, but really what can you hope to accomplish?

[PeoplemoverMatt]

If you write Disney you'll get the standard "Walt said that as long as there is imagination in the world, Disneyland will never be complete" line, which they really should reword to say "We're going to do whatever we want with our attractions, and you're going to like it! If you say change is wrong, you're going against what Walt said!!!" Honestly, that such a cheap cop out. Anyone who uses that should be ashamed of themselves for using Walt's quote as a ploy to legitimize what in this case is a really bad idea.

-- Peoplemover "I will laugh so hard if when the changes are made, all the guests complain that the ride is now stupid & they ruined it by changing it :tongue:" Matt

[RollingBoulder]

-- Peoplemover "I will laugh so hard if when the changes are made, all the guests complain that the ride is now stupid & they ruined it by changing it :tongue:" Matt
That's what I'm hoping. There will be a huge backlash from the people and they'll be forced to change it back, or even better, rework at least some of the new effects into the original story. I know I'm just dreaming though.

[Booster]

If you write Disney you'll get the standard "Walt said that as long as there is imagination in the world, Disneyland will never be complete" line, which they really should reword to say "We're going to do whatever we want with our attractions, and you're going to like it! If you say change is wrong, you're going against what Walt said!!!" Honestly, that such a cheap cop out. Anyone who uses that should be ashamed of themselves for using Walt's quote as a ploy to legitimize what in this case is a really bad idea.

^*agrees wholeheartedly*

I did write(a very long, opinionated letter), and did indeed get that back, although the person writing back did address points in the letter. At least it was read.

If you wanna see for yourselves, I'll go find it again and post it on here.

Even so, the point I'm trying to make is that even with the uncaring responses, if enough people do object before they close the ride in March, they'll have to take notice. And the only way to get them to notice is to take action. Sitting around and complaining about the injustices of it (nothing wrong with it, of course, cause that's pretty much what I'm doing) won't bring it about.

...I feel like a preacher now. :icon_lol:

Just keep that it mind. That's all I ask. If you feel strongly about these changes, you should let Disney know about it.

[PeoplemoverMatt]

^ This sounds cynical but I doubt they even care. It's happened before with the PC changes & that didn't stop them then. The fact its happening now probably just has them unsurprised.

-- PMM :cool:

[Robert Fuller]

Personally, I don't care about the changes. That ride, more than any other, has always been about growth and change. It seems like there's something different every time I go on it. These new changes are simply another manifestation (albeit drastic) of the ride's evolution.

[linklewtt]

-- Peoplemover "I will laugh so hard if when the changes are made, all the guests complain that the ride is now stupid & they ruined it by changing it :tongue:" Matt

That's funny cuz I'll be laughing so hard when the ride is a success and you anti-changers will actually enjoy it (deep down of course).

[Robert Fuller]

they're thinking of adding that cool swashbuckling music from the actual movie to the queue and the beginning of the cave scene
This is the one change I'm not happy about. I've always loved the contrast between the "scary" drop (well, it was scary when I was a kid) and the happy "Yo ho yo ho" music that immediately follows it, as though the pirates are mocking us. In fact, it's my favorite part of the ride, mostly because it's such a great song (I wish they'd play it louder, even).

[Booster]

Yeah. It's the music changes that I feel likewise about. I love the ride's soundtrack (especially the music that echoes through the caverns). They have a nice, sea-shantyish feel to them. I'll be most heartbroken if those are replaced with that generic music from the movies...

[LittleMaleficent]

It saddens me that WDI feels the necessity to change one of the few rides left that Walt was so personally involved with. Its not like attendace for the ride is low, its still one has one of the highest attendace numbers for a single ride, so why are we changing it? They made a movie BASED on the ride, fine. It was cute, whatever. But please dont base an already existing ride off the movie!!! If it didnt already exist, this wouldnt be an issue, but the ride was there first and is doing fine without the freakin movie!!! Update some other ride, like Star Tours, for Pete's sake! Dont get me wrong, Star Tours is great, but its in bad need of a refirb and they could do so many great things with it. POTC doesnt need to be changed!

Sorry, I just read that stupid update and I literally felt my heart drop into my stomach. I want my niece and my kids to see the ride as Walt invisioned it, not a dumbed down version of a stupid movie..

[Booster]

^ I know exactly how you feel. How are future generations going to veiw the attraction? As "another movie ride"...

Same thing, too, about my heart dropping into my stomach. I read about it a few hours before going to Disneyland, and I felt this terrible sense of loss throught the day...

[Disneyland_Wolf]

The VF crew and the members should be WDI imagineers not the other people working on WDI right now! It's not right changing a already existing ride into a movie-based ride. It is completety messed up, I love POTC, since I was a toddler. My first ride in Disneyland, I rode when I was 1 year old or 12 months old.

[i_love_my_johnny_d]

Well I suppose I'm a little excited, simply for the change, and because Capt. Jack Sparrow is the love of my life haha, but really, I'm still a little sad about it. The movie was supposed to be based on the ride, not the other way around. But I suppose what will be will be and it'll be cool either way, but I must admit I do love the original.

[linklewtt]

you know what guys...you all have changed me. i've been talking about how dumb it is to use The Walt Excuse and how Disneyland has a right to change the ride (which it does), but i never really grasped the soul of the attraction if you will. i really thought about the last time i went on POTC, and i realized that this ride really is a classic.

But then on the other hand i am very excited and interested in the new additions that will be given to the ride. i really think that they will be enjoyable without fully ruining the attraction. So although i can not fully join the conservative opposition, i still support your actions and thoughts.

[AlexLoup]

/\ I think the reason some of us are opposing it becasue the threat of changing the entire thing.

Now if they added a few AA's (Sparrow and Will duking it out somewhere :biggrin: ) then I'm fine.

[disneydarling]

I'm still upset over the "PC" changes, and as far as I'm concerned it was ruined when they made those changes.

Oh, well!:icon_conf

[AlexLoup]

It took me a long time to notice the changes. Don't ask me why it just did.

[Executioner]

I'm still upset over the "PC" changes, and as far as I'm concerned it was ruined when they made those changes.

Oh, well!:icon_conf

That is what I am talking about. I still cringe when I see those parts in the ride.

[Robert Fuller]

I'm still upset over the "PC" changes, and as far as I'm concerned it was ruined when they made those changes.
I was at first, but it doesn't bother me anymore. I kind of like it, because that part of the ride is prettier now, even if it's not as funny.

[Executioner]

The end of the ride is not even pretty. Staring at some pirates behind. The old version was way better, with the guy on the TNT barrels and they are all shooting at each other.

[linklewtt]

what are you talking about? that TNT battle thing is still there

[Executioner]

Not the one guy where the squating dude lifting the treasure is. That is what I was talking about. Sorry about the confusion.

[linklewtt]

oh ya, lol it is a bunch of butt

[Booster]

Wait...They didn't already make the changes, did they? Please tell me they haven't!

[Executioner]

Not for the movie changes, no. You are good till March I believe. Go ride it now and cherish it, for it will be a doomed ride soon (IMO).

[Chatterbug]

Not the one guy where the squatting dude lifting the treasure is. That is what I was talking about. Sorry about the confusion.

Are you sure parts aren't removed to be refurbished outside the ride? I hope that is all they are doing, besides a few minor additions if any. I have always thought a sword fighting scene some where in distance would be cool, if done with new technical effects. The ride is still great with out changes, however I keep wondering what Mr. Walt Disney would have wanted if he had say on this matter. With all the new technology, I somehow think he would be excited about a few minor changes with high standards of course.

[stitchhead28]

I wonder how much imagination is left in the world when we have to change an attraction born out of sheer imagination because the movie loosely based on it made a few bucks & 2 sequels are coming out.

-- Peoplemover " *cough* LAME! *cough* " Matt

Yay! That means I get to see It's a Small World - the movie!!! Yay!

*awkward silence*

I was being sarcastic you know :icon_roll

*Back on topic* I really have no problem with the whole "redo" of pirates except for one thing... the metamorphoris of the Sea Witch into the Black Pearl and the replacement of the original captain with Barbossa. That is one thing that I am totally against. Deep inside my body I have this feeling of "don't tinker with it! It was the last ride Walt worked on!" but then again, I feel a sense of excitement to see what they will actually do with the new effects. What I am most excited about though, is seeing if they change the feast scene back into the scene of pirates chasing the women. That really upset me when they initially did that.

(Since they're adding a Johnny Depp animatronic to Pirates of the Caribbean, does this mean they're going to add an Eddie Murphey animatronic to The Haunted Mansion?!?!?!?!?! :icon_shoc)

[Ezra]

Since they're adding a Johnny Depp animatronic to Pirates of the Caribbean, does this mean they're going to add an Eddie Murphey animatronic to The Haunted Mansion?!?!?!?!?! Doing my best Paul Linde impersonation:
Say it isn't so, stitchhead28, say it isn't so!

[Piglet]

If you write Disney you'll get the standard "Walt said that as long as there is imagination in the world, Disneyland will never be complete" line, which they really should reword t