Space Mountain: Old/New Ride Itself

[111702]

I know there has been a Space Mountain: Old/New Music thread, so I made a Space Mountain Old/New Ride thread. In this thread...:wink:

Please choose the ride experience (atmosphere, music, effects, originality, lighting, cars, track, etc.) that you think is the best! Please say why!:tongue:

[ManaByte]

I like the new one much better. Smoother ride. Better cars. etc.

[TopCat8]

The only reason I picked the new one is that I remember it. When the old Space Mountain closed, I was only like 12. I had been on it a few times before, but the only thing I remember from the old ride was the music.

[RankoAnime]

The new Space Mountain, of course! I only went on the old Space Mountain twice before it shut down, but twice was way more than I wanted to go on! I don't know what it was about the old Space Mountain, but when I got off I felt like throwing up. With the new Space Mountain, I went on it twice in a row and just wanted to keep on going.

The only thing I remember about the old Space Mountain that I used to like was being able to sit in the very front and see the tracks. So, at first I didn't like the new Space Mountain because of how dark it was and how you seriously only see black and stars, but now I think I like the darkness better.

[Space Rangerlvl999]

It has to be the MUSIC!
And very smooth when going on turns and chain lifts.

[ScaryTrees]

I hated the red ball they had on the old one and I like the new music better than the old one too

[PeoplemoverMatt]

Please choose the ride experience (atmosphere, music, effects, originality, lighting, cars, track, etc.) that you think is the best! Please say why!:tongue:

Ok, you asked for it! :tongue:

Atmosphere
SM '05 wins with the night exterior lighting, comm traffic in the outdoor stand-by queue before merge, no ridiculous SMTV, and let's call it "enhanced" load/unload room.
SM '05 -1 SM '77 - 0

Music
Dick Dale created a heartpounding soundtrack to what was simply a roller coaster in the dark. This was an age where on-board ride audio systems was pretty much an unheard of concept. His music made the awkward lift hills make a little sense and made the inital descents off the lift hill incredible. So props to Dick Dale for that. While that was good, the new music is everything Dick Dale was lacking. Space Mountain was never meant to have a surfer-sounding music track! The music I think we all invisioned for Space Mountain is what was written for what's out there now. A fast-paced, high-octane tempo with the feel of flying through unknown space past who knows what. That & the entrances to both the lift hills & the main building up the 3rd & final lift hill. Wonderful way to present to the rider what you've got. SM '05 wins here for sure.
SM '05 - 2, SM '77 - 0

Effects
The addition of Dick Dale's theme to the existing trains was laughable at best. What I hated the most about it was there were no cushions on the tall headrests. If you're head came back, you bashed your skull on hard plastic. Ow. It doesn't hold a candle to the onboard audio systems that exist now. Of course state-of-the-art proven technology is going to beat prototypical glorified guess-work technology. Closing off what were windows into the main building from the queue has made the ride darker and it's next to impossible to see any track now. Stark contast to what used to be there. Finally, the lift hills on '77 were an awkward experience & finally ended up being basically a light in your face. SM '05 has those red bars that come at you and then spin with the black hole at the end. 100% improvement there. SM '05 wins
SM '05 - 3, SM '77 - 0

Originality
Space Mountain '77 was the first, the original, the ultimate wow that Disney had produced in its theme parks thus far. Roller coaster? In the dark? You're crazy right? Nope! Replacing the flying saucers, which were a neat idea but broke down all the time, was this gargantuan building which would house a roller coaster. You're off your rocker Disney! The kids would be petrified of it and the parents would stay away! Boy, how wrong they were. Great risks yield great rewards & Space Mtn '77 reaped it all. SM '05 had some good originality in the lift hill effects & re-entry tunnel, but it really wasn't anything that didn't already exist either @ DL or WDW. SM '77 wins by a landslide.
SM '05 - 3; SM '77 - 1

Lighting
Again, with newer technology comes better effects and lighting falls under this too. SM '05 does a great job of using show lights outside at night, with it's switcharoo marquee sign, show lights in the queue and the lack of just about every light in the main ride building. SM '77...no, not even close.
SM '05 - 4; SM '77 - 1

Cars
As stated before, I don't really enjoy bashing my head against hard plastic & SM '77 made me do this. With SM '05, there really isn't any headrest, so that solved that problem. Newer & better always beat old & busted & that's what the old SM had by the time it was shut down for good. SM '05 wins and my brain stem thanks you.
SM '05 - 5; SM '77 -1

Track
Track layout identical. New wins because it's, well, new. Not saying the old was rough, it wasn't too rough, but B&M's involvment somehow in this current track has allowed for some great smoothness which is usually B&M's signature. However it got there, smoothness is good & SM '05 wins.
SM '05 - 6; SM '77 -1

FINAL SCORE
SM '05 - 6
SM '77 - 1

Space Mountain 2005 is officialy declared as superior over Space Mountain 1977! :cool:

-- Peoplemover "Ah, that was a brilliant killing of 20 minutes" Matt

[Disneyland_Wolf]

D***...you type faster than me.

[ManaByte]

Didn't the WDW Space Mountain open in 1975, two years before the DLR one?

[PeoplemoverMatt]

^ Yes but I'm considering it an original because WDW's was basically Matterhorn in Outer Space.

MousePlanet puts it pretty well in this quote...

Since Anaheim only had room for a 200-foot-wide building, there wasn?t room for two tracks, and Bill conceived of the idea to mimic space flight via speed, long stretches of straightaway, and turns that were sometimes tight but always smoothly banked.

This concept evolved into a standard of sorts for the Disney type of thrill ride: some sensation of speed, though never overdone and envelope- pushing, accompanied by smooth turns that thrill without causing real fear. The same designer laid out the track dynamics of all variations of Big Thunder Mountain Railroad, and his principles can be seen at that ride, too. The legacy of the "Disney type thrill" can be found in most projects until the mid-1990s, in fact, and is most clearly seen in the simulator rides at the various theme parks.


Yeah, go SM '77...

-- Peoplemover "WDW's Space Mountain really is Matterhorn through the stars, if you've ridden it yourself, you know this to be true" Matt

[ScaryTrees]

-- Peoplemover "WDW's Space Mountain really is Matterhorn through the stars, if you've ridden it yourself, you know this to be true" Matt

Ive been on WDW Space Mountain and thats exactly what I thought it was too and that is actually the reason why they built it because they wanted their own version of the Matterhorn but that still doesnt mean you can call the Disneyland Space Mountain the original maybe the original of its design because now there is one in Hong Kong and I think in Tokyo too

[GreenLantern13]

^ Yes but I'm considering it an original because WDW's was basically Matterhorn in Outer Space.

-- Peoplemover "WDW's Space Mountain really is Matterhorn through the stars, if you've ridden it yourself, you know this to be true" Matt

Right except your reasoning for why SM 77 was original are things wdw's accomplished ;) Doh.

Time for me to do my categorical evaluation =D Gimme a few ;)

[GreenLantern13]

In my books, the old ride wins 4 out of the 7 categories PPM has started. But I'm reducing PPM's categories to 6 and then ignoring the results. ;)

Atmosphere
SM 77 wins for me. Getting to the heart of it... I don't like the steel corridors. Very...futuristic...I guess? But frankly it's claustrophobic to me. Every panel the way it's layered make sit feel like the narrow cramped hallway that it is. The old ride, you approached Space Mountain, and you went up a covered speedramp onto the platform and entered. The old blue corridors were pretty much out of a 70's sci-fi space setting.

But the real mood setter to me in the queue was the dark room where the walls were black and you could hear the ride zooming by you. It was a large, dark, cold, spacey room, with the comchat talk playing, and it led into an airlock and then into a spaceport. It was what I will forever associate to the Space Mountain atmosphere. And as for the added later SMTV, whatever you may have thought about it, I could go to the airport if I wanted to hear the same safety messages playing over and over every 2 minutes like they do in the new one.

SM '77 - 1; SM '05 - 0

Music
Dick Dale managed to do something that I think gets overlooked. And I'm not talking about bringing the whole onboard music thing. That was amazing, people recognize that, and it practically wins the category from that alone for me. I talk a lot about how I liked his ear thumping / heart thumping music, especially getting you started with the loud guitar riff shooting down the first hill, as opposed to the soft flutes and violins the new music seems to want to play in some of the big moments.

But Dick Dale did something else that set the tone for the ride. The ride starts off playing a light, mysterious space music. Space age whizzing noises like comets or shooting stars are zooming past you and it slowly gets louder and louder and the buildup becomes more intense as you go up the lift and the strobe light hits your face. But then, you flatten out, and you're surrounded by the universe of space. And his music goes deafly quiet, with soft tones lightly carrying you along as you are in the calmness of it all. Only after you've circled the star and begun to climb again do the rockets flare up, you have ignition, and the adventure has taken a new turn into a speeding race through space.

The new music just doesn't do anything like that. It comes blaring from the beginning, and I understand they're trying to get you in the mood for their brand spanking new Locked in Coordinates effect, but the atmosphere in the outer realms of space in the ride is lost to me(something many people say they think the new Incredibles sounding music represents more than a surf guitar). I think they need to take more into account the stuff before what you hear on the 6disc just like the long intro Dick Dale has before he even picks up his guitar. As for the theme music itself, it's too synced up to the ride. I can tell you where we are in the ride and what's coming up. Who needs to see the track if the music is queued to every flinch and turn the track makes.

Dick Dale's brought so much more to the ride experience for me.

SM '77 - 2; SM '05 - 0

Effects
I'll give the new ride the effects category. The stars and projections look great, and the final climb hill effect is done very well. The new ride obviously has an insurmountable advantage here because they have technology they could never come close to back in the 70's, try as walt did. But despite not really being fair, it's a category that should be included because we're comparing the ride experience flat out. I will say this though, I sure can see the track in the dark. I know it's a bit darker in there, and the stars look nice, but I'm spending most all the ride looking at the track and the structures in the middle and trying to find my little fed-ex robot buddy. And furthermore, the focus onto the wall projects after the last lift, and away from the star in the middle... yeah it makes the place darker, but now I've managed to focus on how there's really a wall right in front of me because I'm looking around the track while traveling inside it and not looking into the middle of the track while being surrounded by space.

SM '77 - 2; SM '05 - 1

Originality
Space Mountain '77 was the first, the original, the ultimate wow that Disney had produced in its theme parks thus far. Roller coaster? In the dark? Oh wait...no it wasn't. That was Space Mountain '74, over at Walt Disney World. They had it first. However their's is a strong resemblance to our matterhorn, only it's in the dark and is inside to the theme of Space Mountain. However, they knew they were going to bring this to Disneyland. They had to. But they weren't going to just do another matterhorn. So they put together the ride we had, and as far as coasters go, it was an incredible feat of imagineering and was immensely original. So 1977 still gets the point, but with a little nod to 1974.

SM '77 - 3; SM '05 - 1

Lighting[u] - I'm not gonna go into this because I think it's the same as Effects for this little comparison's purposes.

[u]Cars
The cars are a good progression of technology and experience building these new rides. It straps you in well and the new music setup is also done nicely. Another category that if the new one didn't win, I'd be very disappointed at Disney because it'd be a waste of 30 years.

SM '77 - 3; SM '05 - 2

Track
This category is tricky... I say that because I have no idea what the ride was like in 1977. It was never really "bumpy" for me. The only thing people really remembered about the old one was the low bridge from getting your head or arms chopped off from the wooden posts around you. The new one is smooth, and yes it's because it's new, and we don't really know how much that will change even 10 years down the line. It's nice not to hear the chains going on the lifts though. So basically the better of the two tracks is being judged on what distracts you the least. The closeness of the old tracks was certainly noticeable, and it's better on the new one, but then again I'm spending most of the ride staring at boxes and setups they have all throughout the middle of the rink inside the the track circles. I have to force myself to look straight or look at the space stuff sometimes.

This category is mostly a draw to me and is mostly negligable. Space Mountain '77 gets the point however on account that even if I could see a track going over my head as we went under it, I can still see it on this one anyways and that's better than staring at a million light boxes like I also get to do now.

SM '77 - 4; SM '05 - 2

Space Mountain '05 wins
The ride needed a renovation, stuff needed to change, and without the enhancements they made the ride, Tomorrowland, and Disneyland might've continued to whither and lack a certain something. The people who put together the new ride did a whole lot of work and it really is a good ride. Changes are a good thing as long as they put effort into them. They're going for an entirely different theme almost with the ride, or at least bringing out what they think the old one was supposed to be(thankfully not george lucas style), and all of the things I like more from the old ride are on a far more analytical basis than they should ever worry about. They kept the old ride intact to a greater extent, and creativity shouldn't be hindered. It's not like they took out Space Mountain to replace it with The Many Adventures of Chicken Little. I like the old ride a lot more but I like a lot of memories more. But new things are supposed to get better and it'd be sad if they didn't.

[ScaryTrees]

I dont think that Originality should even be a category because no matter what even if there wasnt the WDW SM the 77 SM would still get the point because it was there before 05 SM

[Disneyland_Wolf]

So nobody voted for the old SM.

[PeoplemoverMatt]

I dont think that Originality should even be a category because no matter what even if there wasnt the WDW SM the 77 SM would still get the point because it was there before 05 SM

Thank you! All you picky WDW people up there, SM '77 was the first & the original compared to SM '05! That's really what we were comparing here, right?

Almandot, congrats, you are the champion of totally missing the point! I guess you got excited because you felt like you had a gotcha! moment or something, whatever dude :icon_roll . I posted that MousePlanet quote, that apparently went ignored, to make the connections between WDW's SM & DLR's and why DLR's had a ton of originality. Oh, and it's PMM, not PPM :wink: .

-- Peoplemover "I'm not allowed to compare 2 things without getting slammed on details irrelevant to the thread :icon_roll " Matt

[PeoplemoverMatt]

Right except your reasoning for why SM 77 was original are things wdw's accomplished ;) Doh.


Next time read the quote that I specifically put there for that reason. :wink: Doh.

-- PMM :cool:

[111702]

Ok, you asked for it! :tongue:

Atmosphere
SM '05 wins with the night exterior lighting, comm traffic in the outdoor stand-by queue before merge, no ridiculous SMTV, and let's call it "enhanced" load/unload room.
SM '05 -1 SM '77 - 0

Music
Dick Dale created a heartpounding soundtrack to what was simply a roller coaster in the dark. This was an age where on-board ride audio systems was pretty much an unheard of concept. His music made the awkward lift hills make a little sense and made the inital descents off the lift hill incredible. So props to Dick Dale for that. While that was good, the new music is everything Dick Dale was lacking. Space Mountain was never meant to have a surfer-sounding music track! The music I think we all invisioned for Space Mountain is what was written for what's out there now. A fast-paced, high-octane tempo with the feel of flying through unknown space past who knows what. That & the entrances to both the lift hills & the main building up the 3rd & final lift hill. Wonderful way to present to the rider what you've got. SM '05 wins here for sure.
SM '05 - 2, SM '77 - 0

Effects
The addition of Dick Dale's theme to the existing trains was laughable at best. What I hated the most about it was there were no cushions on the tall headrests. If you're head came back, you bashed your skull on hard plastic. Ow. It doesn't hold a candle to the onboard audio systems that exist now. Of course state-of-the-art proven technology is going to beat prototypical glorified guess-work technology. Closing off what were windows into the main building from the queue has made the ride darker and it's next to impossible to see any track now. Stark contast to what used to be there. Finally, the lift hills on '77 were an awkward experience & finally ended up being basically a light in your face. SM '05 has those red bars that come at you and then spin with the black hole at the end. 100% improvement there. SM '05 wins
SM '05 - 3, SM '77 - 0

Originality
Space Mountain '77 was the first, the original, the ultimate wow that Disney had produced in its theme parks thus far. Roller coaster? In the dark? You're crazy right? Nope! Replacing the flying saucers, which were a neat idea but broke down all the time, was this gargantuan building which would house a roller coaster. You're off your rocker Disney! The kids would be petrified of it and the parents would stay away! Boy, how wrong they were. Great risks yield great rewards & Space Mtn '77 reaped it all. SM '05 had some good originality in the lift hill effects & re-entry tunnel, but it really wasn't anything that didn't already exist either @ DL or WDW. SM '77 wins by a landslide.
SM '05 - 3; SM '77 - 1

Lighting
Again, with newer technology comes better effects and lighting falls under this too. SM '05 does a great job of using show lights outside at night, with it's switcharoo marquee sign, show lights in the queue and the lack of just about every light in the main ride building. SM '77...no, not even close.
SM '05 - 4; SM '77 - 1

Cars
As stated before, I don't really enjoy bashing my head against hard plastic & SM '77 made me do this. With SM '05, there really isn't any headrest, so that solved that problem. Newer & better always beat old & busted & that's what the old SM had by the time it was shut down for good. SM '05 wins and my brain stem thanks you.
SM '05 - 5; SM '77 -1

Track
Track layout identical. New wins because it's, well, new. Not saying the old was rough, it wasn't too rough, but B&M's involvment somehow in this current track has allowed for some great smoothness which is usually B&M's signature. However it got there, smoothness is good & SM '05 wins.
SM '05 - 6; SM '77 -1

FINAL SCORE
SM '05 - 6
SM '77 - 1

Space Mountain 2005 is officialy declared as superior over Space Mountain 1977! :cool:

-- Peoplemover "Ah, that was a brilliant killing of 20 minutes" Matt

HOLY C***! YOU REALLY KNOW HOW TO REVVIEW A RIDE!

I envy you and thank you for your all-knowing widom! (bow):biggrin:

[111702]

In my books, the old ride wins 4 out of the 7 categories PPM has started. But I'm reducing PPM's categories to 6 and then ignoring the results. ;)

Atmosphere
SM 77 wins for me. Getting to the heart of it... I don't like the steel corridors. Very...futuristic...I guess? But frankly it's claustrophobic to me. Every panel the way it's layered make sit feel like the narrow cramped hallway that it is. The old ride, you approached Space Mountain, and you went up a covered speedramp onto the platform and entered. The old blue corridors were pretty much out of a 70's sci-fi space setting.

But the real mood setter to me in the queue was the dark room where the walls were black and you could hear the ride zooming by you. It was a large, dark, cold, spacey room, with the comchat talk playing, and it led into an airlock and then into a spaceport. It was what I will forever associate to the Space Mountain atmosphere. And as for the added later SMTV, whatever you may have thought about it, I could go to the airport if I wanted to hear the same safety messages playing over and over every 2 minutes like they do in the new one.

SM '77 - 1; SM '05 - 0

Music
Dick Dale managed to do something that I think gets overlooked. And I'm not talking about bringing the whole onboard music thing. That was amazing, people recognize that, and it practically wins the category from that alone for me. I talk a lot about how I liked his ear thumping / heart thumping music, especially getting you started with the loud guitar riff shooting down the first hill, as opposed to the soft flutes and violins the new music seems to want to play in some of the big moments.

But Dick Dale did something else that set the tone for the ride. The ride starts off playing a light, mysterious space music. Space age whizzing noises like comets or shooting stars are zooming past you and it slowly gets louder and louder and the buildup becomes more intense as you go up the lift and the strobe light hits your face. But then, you flatten out, and you're surrounded by the universe of space. And his music goes deafly quiet, with soft tones lightly carrying you along as you are in the calmness of it all. Only after you've circled the star and begun to climb again do the rockets flare up, you have ignition, and the adventure has taken a new turn into a speeding race through space.

The new music just doesn't do anything like that. It comes blaring from the beginning, and I understand they're trying to get you in the mood for their brand spanking new Locked in Coordinates effect, but the atmosphere in the outer realms of space in the ride is lost to me(something many people say they think the new Incredibles sounding music represents more than a surf guitar). I think they need to take more into account the stuff before what you hear on the 6disc just like the long intro Dick Dale has before he even picks up his guitar. As for the theme music itself, it's too synced up to the ride. I can tell you where we are in the ride and what's coming up. Who needs to see the track if the music is queued to every flinch and turn the track makes.

Dick Dale's brought so much more to the ride experience for me.

SM '77 - 2; SM '05 - 0

Effects
I'll give the new ride the effects category. The stars and projections look great, and the final climb hill effect is done very well. The new ride obviously has an insurmountable advantage here because they have technology they could never come close to back in the 70's, try as walt did. But despite not really being fair, it's a category that should be included because we're comparing the ride experience flat out. I will say this though, I sure can see the track in the dark. I know it's a bit darker in there, and the stars look nice, but I'm spending most all the ride looking at the track and the structures in the middle and trying to find my little fed-ex robot buddy. And furthermore, the focus onto the wall projects after the last lift, and away from the star in the middle... yeah it makes the place darker, but now I've managed to focus on how there's really a wall right in front of me because I'm looking around the track while traveling inside it and not looking into the middle of the track while being surrounded by space.

SM '77 - 2; SM '05 - 1

Originality
Space Mountain '77 was the first, the original, the ultimate wow that Disney had produced in its theme parks thus far. Roller coaster? In the dark? Oh wait...no it wasn't. That was Space Mountain '74, over at Walt Disney World. They had it first. However their's is a strong resemblance to our matterhorn, only it's in the dark and is inside to the theme of Space Mountain. However, they knew they were going to bring this to Disneyland. They had to. But they weren't going to just do another matterhorn. So they put together the ride we had, and as far as coasters go, it was an incredible feat of imagineering and was immensely original. So 1977 still gets the point, but with a little nod to 1974.

SM '77 - 3; SM '05 - 1

Lighting[u] - I'm not gonna go into this because I think it's the same as Effects for this little comparison's purposes.

[u]Cars
The cars are a good progression of technology and experience building these new rides. It straps you in well and the new music setup is also done nicely. Another category that if the new one didn't win, I'd be very disappointed at Disney because it'd be a waste of 30 years.

SM '77 - 3; SM '05 - 2

Track
This category is tricky... I say that because I have no idea what the ride was like in 1977. It was never really "bumpy" for me. The only thing people really remembered about the old one was the low bridge from getting your head or arms chopped off from the wooden posts around you. The new one is smooth, and yes it's because it's new, and we don't really know how much that will change even 10 years down the line. It's nice not to hear the chains going on the lifts though. So basically the better of the two tracks is being judged on what distracts you the least. The closeness of the old tracks was certainly noticeable, and it's better on the new one, but then again I'm spending most of the ride staring at boxes and setups they have all throughout the middle of the rink inside the the track circles. I have to force myself to look straight or look at the space stuff sometimes.

This category is mostly a draw to me and is mostly negligable. Space Mountain '77 gets the point however on account that even if I could see a track going over my head as we went under it, I can still see it on this one anyways and that's better than staring at a million light boxes like I also get to do now.

SM '77 - 4; SM '05 - 2

Space Mountain '05 wins
The ride needed a renovation, stuff needed to change, and without the enhancements they made the ride, Tomorrowland, and Disneyland might've continued to whither and lack a certain something. The people who put together the new ride did a whole lot of work and it really is a good ride. Changes are a good thing as long as they put effort into them. They're going for an entirely different theme almost with the ride, or at least bringing out what they think the old one was supposed to be(thankfully not george lucas style), and all of the things I like more from the old ride are on a far more analytical basis than they should ever worry about. They kept the old ride intact to a greater extent, and creativity shouldn't be hindered. It's not like they took out Space Mountain to replace it with The Many Adventures of Chicken Little. I like the old ride a lot more but I like a lot of memories more. But new things are supposed to get better and it'd be sad if they didn't.

OMG! SAME TO YOU TOO! THANK YOU FOR THIS ENOURMOUS REVIEW!

I will forever remember this post...:smile:

[111702]

So nobody voted for the old SM.

Right you are!

I just noticed that I should never have put this thread here (stupid me!:icon_redf ) because nobody likes the Old Space Mountain! OOPS! Now everyone's going to stop voting because they know the truth! Oh well, at least I found out the answer!:cool:

[protostars]

...ignoring the results....

SM '77 - 4; SM '05 - 2

Space Mountain '05 wins


4-2 and the 2 wins :confused:

where were you when I was on a crappy little league team...
(many, many, many moons ago...)
I wish you were our umpire!!!!! :icon_lol:

[JasperGein17121]

I like the new SM more than the old SM. I like the old one, but it's been 4 years since riding it. The only thing I can remember about the old one is it was dark and fast. The new one is really dark & I couldn't tell where the roller coaster was going from all the stars.

[PeoplemoverMatt]

Usually people have the memory of 5 nanoseconds. So when comparing old to new, unless new is really horrendous, new will most likely always win these.

-- Peoplemover "'05 wins for me simply without skull-bashing headrests & SMTV :cool:" Matt

[ScaryTrees]

I liked Space Mountain TV but when I was real little it used to scare me I have no clue why though

[Space Rangerlvl999]

So nobody voted for the old SM.
You know what.thats wierd because i have been hearing people on VF saying they like old SM better.

[Hyperion 77]

I'll be honest. Since I only rode the 05 version of space, I can't really favor one over the other... All I can say is I like Space because it opened me up tp a whole new world.

[111702]

You know what.thats wierd because i have been hearing people on VF saying they like old SM better.

Hey, you're right! That is weird...:icon_conf

[linklewtt]

there was some person (i can't remember who) who said that they liked the new movies in the queue line better than the tacky old ones. well...what the heck? the new movies aren't even entertaining. they're just safetey instructions and boring. at least the old news station movies were entertaining and a little funny. i just wished you could view them longer. but ya the new movies suck. how could you even compare the 2?

anyone know what i'm talking about?

[linklewtt]

i like the new space mountain, but i dunno. i voted for the old one cuz i liked the music better, but really there's not that much of a differende between the rides. of course the new one has that coll launching sequence, but the actual ride is the same really (well i can't really remember the old one but i imagine there's not that much of a difference). maybe the track swerves this way intead of that, but there's no like drops or corkscrews or anything you know? the track is darker though so you can't see it hardly at all. i never understood the big orange thing in the middle of the old one, but i still liked it. so i dunno, the new one is good, but after i went on it the first time i left saying "that was really good" not "that's the best ride in Disneyland!!!!". so i like it, but i don't think it's a major improvement or anything over the old one, like everyone says it is.

[dgfan2112]

The new Space Mountain's better because it has the best thrills and it's new rockets.

[111702]

i like the new space mountain, but i dunno. i voted for the old one cuz i liked the music better, but really there's not that much of a differende between the rides. of course the new one has that coll launching sequence, but the actual ride is the same really (well i can't really remember the old one but i imagine there's not that much of a difference). maybe the track swerves this way intead of that, but there's no like drops or corkscrews or anything you know? the track is darker though so you can't see it hardly at all. i never understood the big orange thing in the middle of the old one, but i still liked it. so i dunno, the new one is good, but after i went on it the first time i left saying "that was really good" not "that's the best ride in Disneyland!!!!". so i like it, but i don't think it's a major improvement or anything over the old one, like everyone says it is.

LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE WHO VOTED FOR THE OLD SM! YOU ARE VERY BRAVE!:eek:

[SurfedUpDane]

I liked the old space mountain because it used to go outside and had all the water spraying every where. It really kept you cool on hot days, it is a shame that they had to put it back inside.

[Loneknight]

I wish there was a half n' half option, because I honestly love the new mountain: the effects are awesome, the new themeing was done wonderfully...

But the music.

Yes, I was one of the people who voted "original/old song" on the other thread. The new music has too much of a "James Bond meets Austin Powers" feel to it. Great, if you're planning to do a chase scene from "The Incredibles", but it's too slow for me. The original song was faster, more "hardcore", and just had a "Get in, sit down, shut up and hold on" feel to it.

But yes, love the mountain.

[PeoplemoverMatt]

^ Space Mountain never went outside.

-- Peoplemover "Unless I've just crossed into in some sort of parallel universe :wink: " Matt

[RobGraves]

I liked the old space mountain because it used to go outside and had all the water spraying every where. It really kept you cool on hot days, it is a shame that they had to put it back inside.
can i buy drugs from you?

[Executioner]

The new SM is just insane and I love it. The f/x are awsome. I also miss the old style SM though. It had that classic coaster feel. The bumpy ride, the jerky turns, the lighting, I loved the entry tunnel when the lights twisted around you. I liked putting my hands up to see the rays of light move through the fingers casting shadows. The end tunnel was fun too. The new ride is by far better, but that classic feel is gone. I don't think you can consider it a classic ride anymore cause it has changed.

[Loneknight]

^ Space Mountain never went outside.

-- Peoplemover "Unless I've just crossed into in some sort of parallel universe :wink: " Matt

Say....what? Was that meant for the post above me?

[Executioner]

I believe it was. Yes. Just to add also, Space Mountain never went outside.

[Loneknight]

Isn't the only SM that goes outside at Disneyland Paris, where you enter the launch tunnel?

[Executioner]

No clue. Never saw a video and have never been there. Would like to someday. But I do know ours never did.

[PeoplemoverMatt]

Say....what? Was that meant for the post above me?

No it was for this one...


I liked the old space mountain because it used to go outside and had all the water spraying every where. It really kept you cool on hot days, it is a shame that they had to put it back inside.


Yeah, that's the one, that's no Space Mtn I've ever known.

-- Peoplemover "Yaaaay Monday's over! :cool: " Matt

[ryguy222]

did anyone else notice the metoers moving around once you get in the actually mtn. They are very big once you get down the second hill before the turn. They are on the left side of the car. they look like big black objects.

[koutesu]

The new Space Mountain, of course! I only went on the old Space Mountain twice before it shut down, but twice was way more than I wanted to go on! I don't know what it was about the old Space Mountain, but when I got off I felt like throwing up. With the new Space Mountain, I went on it twice in a row and just wanted to keep on going.

The only thing I remember about the old Space Mountain that I used to like was being able to sit in the very front and see the tracks. So, at first I didn't like the new Space Mountain because of how dark it was and how you seriously only see black and stars, but now I think I like the darkness better.


WOW! You can call me your "brother from another mother"! I rode the old SM in '92 before the audio was installed and it made me sick! I was 11 then. I sat in the front row. I think being able to see a little track in front of you going one way and all the disco ball-made stars going another is what did it for me. I went on SM '05 the week before last and I loved it. The darkness and the millions of bright stars were fantastic.

As for the soundtrack, the new one is better once you get to experience it in its entirety with the attraction itsself. However, I really liked the Dick Dale soundtrack. Dick Dale's soundtrack is the perfect image song for SM.

[usa Dragon]

The New Space Mountain is better because the soundtrack sounds more spaceish:cool: . besides i have never even been on the original because every time I went before it shut down the lines were to long:frown:

[RollingBoulder]

New Space. I like pretty much every aspect of the new one better than the old.

[alissa08]

I vote for the old space mountain. I liked the stars in the '77 one. I dont like the new stars. But thats just my opinion.

[alissa08]

Remember PMM... Space Mountain was first built in WDW!
PMM has already explained what he meant by originality. We all know it was first in WDW.

[Disneyland05]

I go for new space mountain. i like the ride.

[Ratty12345]

Of course the new Space Mountain.

[linklewtt]

although i'm drawn to the space surf-ish music of the original, i've got to say that the new faster paced music is very very good also. it adds a lot to the ride, which is smoother and slightly better. thumbs up!

[tboss]

The new Space Mountain, of course! I only went on the old Space Mountain twice before it shut down, but twice was way more than I wanted to go on! I don't know what it was about the old Space Mountain, but when I got off I felt like throwing up. With the new Space Mountain, I went on it twice in a row and just wanted to keep on going.

The only thing I remember about the old Space Mountain that I used to like was being able to sit in the very front and see the tracks. So, at first I didn't like the new Space Mountain because of how dark it was and how you seriously only see black and stars, but now I think I like the darkness better.

That's exactly how I felt too!

[barfownz]

I am very impressed by the new space mountain. It is way better now.

[Indyjohn]

Original Space Mountain was much better because the music was more of my type of tune.

[Ezra]

Original Space Mountain was much better because the music was more of my type of tune. Funny everyone says this... originally there was no music. The music system was a later addition.

[mickeyfanatic50]

I like the new Space Mountain because of the new soundtrack.

[Robert Fuller]

Funny everyone says this... originally there was no music. The music system was a later addition.
And it wasn't even there for very long.

[mrhappybomb]

the new space mountain for many reasons

1: better effects
2:better music
3: smother track
4: just better

[dreamscometrue555]

whoa, calling it the old space mountain makes me feel old :icon_cry: and im still a teenager!

my fondest memory is not the ride but the commercials in the queue
like the CNN parody etc.

anyways, go New space mountain!

[The Not-Lit Meteor]

New is cool, but still seems incomplete. Not much more I can say. I still like the new one better. Way big impovement.

[magic]

I liked the orginal space mountain because of its rock soundtrack and the trains looked cool to me. Thought i think they should bring the old soundtrack back for a short time. When you think about all space mountain is a roller coaster
with disco balls and if you closely they do use disco balls to make stars.

[debijeanm]

I love the new music and much prefer the "flying through space" experience in total darkness (ie. I prefer not seeing the tracks).

[Rube_Goldberg]

The best part about the new SM is that you have no Idea where your going next

[Chernabog40]

Atmosphere - I guess I'd say a tie. I love the loading area of the old one better (without a devastatingly enormous hunk of plastic suspended from the ceiling), but I do like how the new one got rid of the TV's with the news broadcasts. (I liked the news and thought they were funny, but they contradicted the slightly creepy atmosphere with the com chat in the background.)

Music - it depends. As music to listen to, with no ride to worry about, I'd say the old one. But when you're on the ride, the new one is way kickin'.

Effects - new one. I like the whole backward-light thing toward the end and also the chain lift that makes you dizzy.

Originality - the old one, of course! SM is such a cool idea (granted, it was based off of the WDW one, but it was originally planned for DL)! But I do like how the new one pays homage to the old one (like how the number "77" appears pretty much everywhere).

Lighting - new one. It is SO dark in there! You absolutely cannot see where you're going, which makes it a lot more exciting.

Cars - I can't really tell the difference. I guess I'll say it's a tie.

Track - new one. It is so darn smooth!

In case you can't tell, I voted for the new SM. But there are a lot of things about the old one I love too, which are kind of paid tribute to in the new one. That's what's great about DL, how it has such nostalgia and brings back so many memories every time you go!

[Disney_Guy]

MAN!! This thread was brought back from the dark ages. This thread's over a year an a half old.

-SPΛCE
Heh, ya.... Well, I like the new Space Mountain over the original..
There, I said it.

[CLASSIC HM]

I don't remember much about Space Mountain prior to 2000 except that I didn't like it. But since 2000, I like it. And I enjoy listening to both soundtracks, especially "Space Mountain--New Daytime Track".

[Indy4evr]

id have to go w/new on music because it is so much more dynamic. Michael Giacchino's scoring is "incredible" lol. But the effects, and cars definately go with the new, the lift hill + the really hard to see the track is awesome.

[Executioner]

I would like to, just for once, ride it like it was back in the day before the soundtrack added to the cars yet keep the lights off. Or even better..... Ride it in complete black, no light and have it all quiet. That would be quite fun.

[ice dog]

Didn't the WDW Space Mountain open in 1975, two years before the DLR one?

Yes. I think Disney had a Tv show about the opening if I remember correctly

[princesschloe777]

I personally prefer the old Space Mountain, I don't know I just loved it more. I mean it was really cool to me since it so looked like space. It was pretty much the closest thing to space for me. When I went on it last year I felt like all it was, was your in the dark with lights that are the stars. No planets just a super fast roller coaster. I miss the planets, I thought it was kinda cool the first time but than going on it later I realized I missed the original Disney Classic!

[tomserwin]

I love the old surf-guitar sound of the original.