So It Is A Curse Of The Black Pearl

[Mousekiteer]

Don't know if any of you have actually read Mice Age these past two days. I must say I am left a little uncertain of what I just read.

"A new Johnny Depp animatronic will show up in several of the ride's most iconic scenes, even adding dialogue to the dunking of the mayor. A Barbarosa figure will also be added, and his morphing skeleton effect is said to be quite impressive. Many props from the movie will be added to the ride's sets, there will be newly digitized audio tracks and some modern upgrades to the circa-1967 special effects."

After this, I flinched. I mean, I have heard that they're putting Cap'n Jack in WDW's Pirates and also possibly in Phase II of Hong Kong Disneyland. But... why Anaheim?

Now, don't get me wrong. I adore Depp. Rush is the man. Yet in a way I feel that our Pirates, the first, the classic, the original and the last thing Uncle Walt was working on is being tainted with pop culture references. It reminds me of how the Tiki Room has been picked at with each reincarnation. Plus, I guess the general audience still doesn't get the movie was inspried by the ride.

Even though Pirates isn't particularly a huge favorite of mine, I still feel a little peeved. What about you?

[krnsngr85]

I hope they fix that politcally correct scene, man people just won't stop complaining.

[DisneyResurrection]

No JD in POTC.

[SplashMountain]

I love the ride and I love the movie, but I do NOT want them to combine the two!!!:mad:

[disneylover]

I agree! No JD in POTC!!!! If they do this, I will be crushed, and complain to city hall a lot!:mad:

[Legend_S]

It sounds really stupid, I want it to remain the same because its the original for crying out loud, why do they find ways to kill classics for us?

[Disneyland_Wolf]

Stupid Eisner!! It was his idea yet again. He said that, he will add Capn' Sparrow in POTC. He always kill the classics, that attraction came out before the movie, 1960's. Let's make a "No Captain Jack Sparrow animatronic petition". We all Disneyland fans and POTC fans must make it and sign it.

[Mousekiteer]

^I don't think Eisner's behind it. Probably just some really uninspired imagineers.
Might I remind that the guy did some good stuff during the rebirth of Disney.

[Piglet]

Can we take this as fact then, if it was reported on MiceAge? I will be very sad if they add a Johnny Depp pirate in the new POTC refurb. I don't think this ride needs it--it is great the way it is. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

[arrowfanman]

Well, you see, they arent scrapping the old dialouge or anything. They are integrating what he says into the classical conversations you always hear. . . .I think.

Basically, the ride is almost 40 years old. Face it, its getting old.
I think that it is updates like this that will allow the attraction to survive for another 40 years.

[linklewtt]

I hope they fix that politcally correct scene, man people just won't stop complaining.
what scene do you mean?

[emman]

i think it would be good seing sparrow at the end of the ride or just before the warning skeleton,but integrate him to the original, that would be disrupting 40 years of walt's imagination, ok i admit it is getting a little old, but it has survived all this years for one reason, its originallity, it sparrow appears in the middle of anything, it wouldnt be the same

[PeoplemoverMatt]

This has me both infuriated & a bit excited at the same time, which is an interesting feeling.

It may shock you to read that but don't worry, I HATE the idea of more movie stuff coming into a Disneyland ride. Is anyone else thinking of Tiki Room Under New Management here? This is what happens when movie characters are needlessly installed into a classic, beloved attraction. So a giant thumbs down to whoever thought this is a good idea. Don't tell me it will infuse new life into an aging attraction. It might for about a week, but it will be short-term at best, and a classic will die to become yet another movie-based attraction. I'm thinking about a hunger strike to preserve attraction originality. Ok maybe not, but honestly, this is getting absurd.

Now as for the exiciting part: Pirates is getting a refurb! Holy monkey does that ride ever stack like mad! It feels as if you wait just as long to get off the ride as you do to get on the ride. I'm optimistic that a good long refurb will fix this because stacking like this isn't supposed to happen.

That's about the only positive I see in this. They may as well rename the bloody place Walt Disney Studios Hollywood & in FL, Walt Disney Studios Florida. :icon_roll

-- Peoplemover "Peoplemover's going to be based on a movie & that's going to suck too" Matt

[simba_one]

I wouldn't like to see this happen but it would be nice to see something new in there. I'd rather they leave the Anaheim version as it is and just add JD to the Orlando version but hey, if they're set on something. And I kinda agree with arrowfanman - it is getting slightly old so why not just update it slightly?! It'll still and will always be Pirates...

[DeadMenTellNoTales]

"Update it slightly," are you joking me! Adding JD to one of the most beloved and original rides in the world is not a slight update but a major change and disappointment. This is what I was worried about when they made the movie, and now one of my worst fears could be coming true. This chage only opens the door to future changes to the ride. What if the next two movies do just as good or even better then the first? What then, more JD animatronic figures placed all over the ride? Or perhaps they would add scenes from the other movies and completly change the ride that was the last ride that Walt was able to work on. Either way this up and coming refurb is a major watershed moment for Oimet and his regime. It could even turn out to be worse than the 1997 refurb that tried to make Pirates more PC. And the timing of this could not have been any worse. Right in the middle of the 50th when everybody is talking about Walt's dream for his park. I'm sure that if Walt was here today he would never allow anything like this to happen.

[simba_one]

But things can't stay the same forever. I think someone already said it but adding a JD animatronic either at the entrance or exit of the ride would enhance the ride and would make the ride loved by even more people. Kids going to the park now may never have considered Pirates as one of their favourite rides but if they've seen the movie and they like the movie then they see a Jack Sparrow in Pirates, I guarantee they'd become a fan of it. As far as we know if this does go ahead they're not going to change anything to the rides overall structure but simply incorporate a Jack Sparrow character into what they already have. I would be on the side with pretty much everyone who disagrees with this idea but one new animatronic just isn't going to change the ride that much so I have nothing against it if they do decide to do it.

[Executioner]

I hope this does not become a reality for our classic ride. It was bad enough changing it to be more politicaly correct (which I hate and cannot stand this term). I don't think POTC has had any problems turning newer and younger visitors into fans. After all the ride has been around since the 60's. Pretty soon we might have to call it Disney's Movieland.

[Piglet]

But things can't stay the same forever. I think someone already said it but adding a JD animatronic either at the entrance or exit of the ride would enhance the ride and would make the ride loved by even more people. Kids going to the park now may never have considered Pirates as one of their favourite rides but if they've seen the movie and they like the movie then they see a Jack Sparrow in Pirates, I guarantee they'd become a fan of it.

But what about the many people who have NOT seen the movie? They wouldn't know who Captain Jack Sparrow was. And what's next? Are we going to see a likeness of Eddie Murphy in the Haunted Mansion after it's next refurb? I think they they seriously need to rethink this......

[camaro87488]

And what's next? Are we going to see a likeness of Eddie Murphy in the Haunted Mansion after it's next refurb?


I was thinking that samething but Haunted Mansion did not fair as well as Pirates. It also says in the article that Sparrow will be put into several scenes including the dunking scene. I really hope they decide against this. I love the ride the way it is. Some parent will not let ther kids see PG-13 movies anyways.(parents I know anyways) Kids may still ride the rides without seeing the movie first

[PeoplemoverMatt]

But things can't stay the same forever. I think someone already said it but adding a JD animatronic either at the entrance or exit of the ride would enhance the ride and would make the ride loved by even more people. Kids going to the park now may never have considered Pirates as one of their favourite rides but if they've seen the movie and they like the movie then they see a Jack Sparrow in Pirates, I guarantee they'd become a fan of it. As far as we know if this does go ahead they're not going to change anything to the rides overall structure but simply incorporate a Jack Sparrow character into what they already have. I would be on the side with pretty much everyone who disagrees with this idea but one new animatronic just isn't going to change the ride that much so I have nothing against it if they do decide to do it.

Camaro has it right, they aren't pushing for 1 new AA but a Jack Sparrow infestation in the "classic" scenes. Why change classic scenes?? Makes no sense, bad idea, we need to focus on fixing things that need fixing!

-- Peoplemover "And there's plenty of those around DLR..." Matt

[Liserbell]

I have to start by saying, I am dead set against this. I think the only way they would make me happy is by giving us back the pirates chasing their brides as Walt intended and just update the technological aspects of the ride.

However, Walt said that Disneyland would never be done. He wanted it to live and grow and change. That was part of his vision. I don't know if he would like all the movie inspired rides. He seemed to cherish origonality, but he didn't want the place to stagnate either.

I just wish they would get someone to love the parks as much as Walt did. I know the imagineers still love the park. We just need whoever is in charge to put in the money, time and effort these parks deserve.:icon_cry:

[Mousekiteer]

Can we take this as fact then, if it was reported on MiceAge?
Mostly because this leak is too early to really confirm. If there is enough outburst from die hard fans, the imagineers may (or may not) reconsider the whole idea or boot it. Once we actually get some CM reports and pictures, then it'll become reality.

Petition, anyone?

[Piglet]

I just wish they would get someone to love the parks as much as Walt did. I know the imagineers still love the park. We just need whoever is in charge to put in the money, time and effort these parks deserve.:icon_cry:
They DO have someone who loves the parks as Walt did: his nephew Roy. Now, if he could somehow get back on the board of D's.........
Problem is, even if Walt were alive right now, I think they'd find a way to do things their own way regardless. Money talks.........

[brunetteTinkerbell1955]

i hope they dont change it and add to much things like a new ride, PoTC is a original and everyone likes it the way it is. If they are gonna add CJS (capt jack) they should like put him in like the backround or hide him so it makes it fun so people try to find him lol, or just DONT PUT HIM IN THERE! lol i hope no new scenes or take out an original scene

[NCTJoe]

Knowing how savvy a business man Walt was... I'm not so sure he wouldnt insist on the changes if they would bring in a whole new generation of interest to the ride.

I know Im going against the norm here... but I'd be in favor of the movie references....

PROVIDED...

that they did not replace any of the key scenes.

For example, there's a dark tunnel between the grottos and the ship/fort battle scene where you hear a considerably short loop of pirates warning you about the "cursed treasure". I wouldnt be too against Barbosa warning you there. Maybe even carve into the tunnel and put a likeness of him there.

Also there's a rather dull transition between the jail scene and the final shooting scene... perhaps they could put a nice effect in there too.

Not to mention I wouldnt mind seeing at least some of the scenes updated with newer tech. The talking skull in the begining of the ride Im sure could look more animated. Dont change the concept... just update it a bit.

But, being the negotiator I am... I would make this deal with Disneyland...
You can put in your Black Pearl robots, on the condition that you bring back the pirates chasing the women.

[arrowfanman]

I still dont see what the big deal is! As long as they dont make him the center of attention, I dont see why it will hurt the ride.



Walt was all about liking the guest. That is what makes the Disney parks most successful....they care about the guest, and what the guest thinks. It is my understanding that a very frequent complaint/question at guest relations is "how come there's nothing from the movie?!"

When Walt saw dead plants, cuz people were taking a shortcut through the planter, he didn't put up a fence....he paved a path there.

So you can put up a fence if you want, but as for me, I think its only fair, in memory of Walt, to pave that path...he would have put the guests first.

[DeadMenTellNoTales]

I still dont see what the big deal is! As long as they dont make him the center of attention, I dont see why it will hurt the ride.



Walt was all about liking the guest. That is what makes the Disney parks most successful....they care about the guest, and what the guest thinks. It is my understanding that a very frequent complaint/question at guest relations is "how come there's nothing from the movie?!"

When Walt saw dead plants, cuz people were taking a shortcut through the planter, he didn't put up a fence....he paved a path there.

So you can put up a fence if you want, but as for me, I think its only fair, in memory of Walt, to pave that path...he would have put the guests first.
The reason there is nothing from the movie is because the movie was based on the ride. Why would you change such an original and beloved ride such as Pirates to include characters from a movie that was based on the ride. It just doesn't make any sense. Plus i can assure you that there will be a vast increase in complaints to City Hall if the planned AA's are put in. There are just too many people out there who love one of the truly original rides, myself included. But lets not forget JD is not the only AA to be put in. They are also planning to put in a Barbarosa figure. Here is a quote from Al Lutz; "A new Johnny Depp animatronic will show up in several of the ride's most iconic scenes, even adding dialogue to the dunking of the mayor. A Barbarosa figure will also be added" You see, they are not just planning in putting in one figure at the end of the ride. They are changing some of the most beloved scenes and that is what i have a problem with, they are changing the entire atmosphere and feel of the ride, it will no longer be the true Disney original that we have all come to know and love. It will instead be a cheap imitation of a movie, a theme that is beginning to resurface itself all over the the happiest place on earth, much to the dread of true Disneyland Lovers like myself.

[PeoplemoverMatt]

I still dont see what the big deal is! As long as they dont make him the center of attention, I dont see why it will hurt the ride.

Walt was all about liking the guest. That is what makes the Disney parks most successful....they care about the guest, and what the guest thinks. It is my understanding that a very frequent complaint/question at guest relations is "how come there's nothing from the movie?!"

So you can put up a fence if you want, but as for me, I think its only fair, in memory of Walt, to pave that path...he would have put the guests first.

And it is the guests that will make Jack Sparrow the center of attention. That & I really can't believe Disney Marketing will resist the urge to flash another movie-based "enhancement." You think the guests are demanding it because a lot of GP are attracted to movie-based stuff, universal Studios does make an income after all, but is that what you really want Disneyland to become? It is not Disney Studios Hollywood! Disneyland is better than that! Disneyland is far better than that & it's a darn shame that those who control budgets for new attractions simply do not understand this.

Folks you need to understand that once you change the classic that's it, the classic is dead. In its place will be some red-headed stepchild version of a ride where the riders ride it to see their beloved Jack Sparrow and complain about how boring everything else is. Right now the ride needs a refurb, and its going to get one. But these moronic short-sighted executives, who wouldn't know an original ride if it fell on them, need to resist their addiction to put something from a movie each & every place they can. Is there a patch for that? Oyi...

Now having said that, this is MousePlanet's take on the whole thing....
It has been confirmed, but we've been lax in saying so, that the Pirates of the Caribbean refurbishment has been pushed out to spring 2006 and expanded to almost three and a half months, from March 6 to June 16. The details of any show changes to be installed are not known, though speculation runs rampant.

I hear they're adding a loop. :tongue:

-- Peoplemover "Why can't we send Depp to WDW & keep Disneyland's POTC? What is so wrong about that? :icon_roll " Matt

[Disneyland_Wolf]

And it is the guests that will make Jack Sparrow the center of attention. That & I really can't believe Disney Marketing will resist the urge to flash another movie-based "enhancement." You think the guests are demanding it because a lot of GP are attracted to movie-based stuff, universal Studios does make an income after all, but is that what you really want Disneyland to become? It is not Disney Studios Hollywood! Disneyland is better than that! Disneyland is far better than that & it's a darn shame that those who control budgets for new attractions simply do not understand this.

Folks you need to understand that once you change the classic that's it, the classic is dead. In its place will be some red-headed stepchild version of a ride where the riders ride it to see their beloved Jack Sparrow and complain about how boring everything else is. Right now the ride needs a refurb, and its going to get one. But these moronic short-sighted executives, who wouldn't know an original ride if it fell on them, need to resist their addiction to put something from a movie each & every place they can. Is there a patch for that? Oyi...

Now having said that, this is MousePlanet's take on the whole thing....


I hear they're adding a loop. :tongue:

-- Peoplemover "Why can't we send Depp to WDW & keep Disneyland's POTC? What is so wrong about that? :icon_roll " Matt

Yeah, I highly agree with ya. They should send Jack Sparrow AA to WDW's POTC and they should not messed up Walt's orignal ride. If it wasn't Einser's idea, those whose idea was it??

[GreenLantern13]

Yeah, I highly agree with ya. They should send Jack Sparrow AA to WDW's POTC and they should not messed up Walt's orignal ride. If it wasn't Einser's idea, those whose idea was it??

Someone who realizes that the majority of Disneyland visitors aren't purists, loved the movie, and will get a kick about seeing the movie put into the ride. (didn't read the rest of the thread :( i'm ashamed at myself, but giving my take off the bat. i'll prolly edit the post anyways after i read some heh)

I think the effects might be cool, but I'd much rather them do the whole nighttime thing. I realize that's probably unfeasable. Heck the little tunnel they say people will go under to get into the current boat backarea is way too low as it is for public use, they'd have to do major work to everything back there as well as in the current ride.

I don't really know if this will make the ride more popular though, even if people do get a big kick out of it. Currently a lot of people just go on it because it's the Pirates of the Carribean! How can they not go on it during their trip! Then they just sit through it and blabla okay yeah that was nice I guess. Even if they were absolutely THRILLED to see the movie stuff in it, it'll still hold a "oh and we have to go on pirates" mentality that the current one still holds, only the reason might be "i loved that movie" instead of because it's been there a long while and you're supposed to go on it and isn't it neat...(and the ride's gotten a lot of riders going into it saying the "i loved that movie" saying the past couple years as it is). But when it comes down to it, on average they'll still be heading for one of the Mountains, and Pirates still just gets filled in as they go by that area of the park.

Another reason I don't want the current captain replaced is a selfish little giggle because almost no one knows his name and would just as well be inclined to call him Captain Hook or something.

Edit: Yep here's the edit after reading the thread ;)
Any change to a ride, if done well, can be better than Tiki Room Under New Management. Lots of issues with the approach they took with that.

As for those who've never seen Jack Sparrow...well to them he'll just be a pirate captain slightly off his rocker and a character in the storyline. The ride's still supposed to be a storyline, even if it changes a bit it would still be the designer's duty to try and tell a story without prior knowledge.

[petrer pan]

Why not ? What the big deal.I love potc but a little shake up would'nt hurt.Have you ever been stuck on Pirates? Something new I think would be great.People always say Walt would not approve of things that he would want it the same way, Walt was a visionary not scared to try things invent things.New and different is ok and if it dose work? oh well go back to the old way witch is fine.

[simba_one]

Knowing how savvy a business man Walt was... I'm not so sure he wouldnt insist on the changes if they would bring in a whole new generation of interest to the ride.

I know Im going against the norm here... but I'd be in favor of the movie references....

PROVIDED...

that they did not replace any of the key scenes.

For example, there's a dark tunnel between the grottos and the ship/fort battle scene where you hear a considerably short loop of pirates warning you about the "cursed treasure". I wouldnt be too against Barbosa warning you there. Maybe even carve into the tunnel and put a likeness of him there.
Also there's a rather dull transition between the jail scene and the final shooting scene... perhaps they could put a nice effect in there too.

Not to mention I wouldnt mind seeing at least some of the scenes updated with newer tech. The talking skull in the begining of the ride Im sure could look more animated. Dont change the concept... just update it a bit.

But, being the negotiator I am... I would make this deal with Disneyland...
You can put in your Black Pearl robots, on the condition that you bring back the pirates chasing the women.
I agree with this. I think people are getting the wrong idea of my opinion... I would hate for Pirates to become a totally different ride and be based around Jack Sparrow. But adding Jack and Barbosa into the ride somewhere (in places which don't have too much to offer at the moment such as those that NCTJoe stated above maybe) wouldn't hurt in my opinion.

As for them adding an Eddie Murphy character into the HM I would be TOTALLY against that. That wouldn't work AT ALL!! But the additions of Jack and Barbosa to Pirates would only make the ride more enjoyable in my opinion. And as for the people who have not seen the movie and would not know who the two new characters are... so what?! Do they know all the pirates in the ride right now?! If you know who they are then it's a cool new addition and it makes the ride that little bit more enjoyable for you but if you don't know who they are then it still makes it more enjoyable. The only people who wouldn't benefit are those who want the ride to stay the same forever.

[Grim Grinning Ghost]

I think if done properly this wouldnt be a problem at all. Theres a ton of stuff that could use some changing in that ride, I've been riding it since 1978 so I'm no stranger to it. I completely understand how some people say changing it would no longer make it a "classic", well guys, they've already changed it from it's original state, so some more changes, IF DONE PROPERLY, wouldnt hurt. I mean take for instance the scene with the drunkin pirate trying to get the two black kiki's to take shots of rum with him, you can HEAR the frickin pneumatic triggers that make the cats tails move, C'mon! thats Old & Busted if you ask me!
I for one would certainly welcome the addition, after all POTC the movie is already a classic and Cpt. Sparrow is one of the most charismatic entities of late. Why Shouldn't they add him & Barbosa to the ride? Granted Johnny Depp would HAVE to do the actual audio or no deal!

I havnt heard any complaints about the Nightmare Before Christmas theme in the Haunted Mansion and that movie has NOTHING to do with the ride. So why so many complaints about this movie making an apperance in the ride from which it came?

[DeadMenTellNoTales]

I havnt heard any complaints about the Nightmare Before Christmas theme in the Haunted Mansion and that movie has NOTHING to do with the ride. So why so many complaints about this movie making an apperance in the ride from which it came?
The reason you haven't heard any complaints is because Nightmare is just a seasonal overlay, ITS NOT PERMENANT! Whereas with Pirates it will be. And its not like if the new AA's do poorly they can just remove them, it doesn't work like that. Once their put in they will be there for quite some time.

[DeadMenTellNoTales]

I agree with this. I think people are getting the wrong idea of my opinion... I would hate for Pirates to become a totally different ride and be based around Jack Sparrow. But adding Jack and Barbosa into the ride somewhere (in places which don't have too much to offer at the moment such as those that NCTJoe stated above maybe) wouldn't hurt in my opinion.

You guys just don't seem to grasping the whole idea here, they are not just adding one or two new AA's in places where it wouldn't matter, such as the beginning and ending of the ride. But instead they adding them to some of the most important scenes in the ride, therefore making Jack Sparrow the center of attention when he shouldn't even be there in the first place.

[Grim Grinning Ghost]

And its not like if the new AA's do poorly they can just remove them, it doesn't work like that. Once their put in they will be there for quite some time.

They do it with the Haunted Mansion Holiday every year and it only takes a month. :icon_shoc Just as you said.

Now I dont think I like the idea of the whole ride changing. But would accept it, Cuzzz I absolutely LOVE the movie. but we'd have to have a formal fairwell to the orginal ride.

[DaddyB]

Firstly: Go complain at city hall, or if you're not in the area, write an email.
Secondly: It's WAY too early to get upset... it's Al Lutz reporting this folks... the same guy who reported the rumor of the peoplemover coming back... Sometimes he's right, sometimes he's wrong, and sometimes things just change, so he was right when he reported it, but it didn't end up happening. So again, if you're against this happening, write a letter or write a complaint.
Thirdly: Don't blame the imagineers! They're only doing what they're told! They can come up with ideas, but they get told what to do by the project manager and the project manager gets told what to do by a suit with a MBA. Because HE thinks it will drive more people to the park and increase profits.

About the only thing based on the ride was the Movie's title. Disney only used the title to give people a reference point ("It's a movie about Pirates") to help get them through the cinema door. Don't forget that many pirate movies had failed these past decades and Disney wanted to give their movie a leg up. With the upcoming II & III of "Pirates" Disney is hoping for "Lord of the Rings" popularity (as opposed to the "Matrix" sequels popularity). I wouldn't be suprised if the 2nd movie tanks that we wouldn't see the proposed changes happen at all.

Personally I'm just so tired of seeing what the imagineers first dream only to be nickeled and dimed down to a shadow of it's former self... Walt faced challenges of simply not having the money to do what he wanted to do, or what he was dreaming was beyond what current technology could support. Today it's a matter of suits and beancounters having the final word (whereas Walt would send Roy on vacation while having the bulldozers warming up on the other side of the fence).

[DisneyResurrection]

(whereas Walt would send Roy on vacation while having the bulldozers warming up on the other side of the fence).
:icon_lol: LOL! That's too funny! Simpler times lol.

[Executioner]

That is what I loved about Walt. Corporations just don't have that mentality, it is all about money for them.

[Liserbell]

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for refurbs and updates in tech stuff. I also think the Imagineers are amazing.

What I don't like is change for the sake of change. When they made the pirates chase the women because they had food, it just lost something. It still annoys me. For what purpose was that change?
Second, Guest Friendly is great! More people are great! But lets use some reason. Changing HM to add Eddie Murphy is the same thing as altering POTC. If it happens or not it's the same mentality and it robs the park of originality. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm sick of direct to video Cinderalla 2 and all it's little friends.
I guess I'm saying that there are great new ideas out there all them time, just on this board alone. I would be saddened to see that rather than give the imagineers free rheins to create wonderful rides, they instead, dismantle old ones that are still loved by the guests.

But I suppose I should just write a letter like DaddyB said.

[Jack_Skellingtons_Lover]

i dont aggree with the matter, but as walt disney himself said, disneyland would never be finished, it will always be changing. we may be witnessing a LOT of changes in rides in the future.

[DisneyResurrection]

I don't think Walt would change a ride just for the sake of change. Pirates is a classic Disney ride and part of Disneyland's very "soul". People come from all over the world to ride the classic attraction. How many of those would still come if it became just another hollywood wax museum? A classic car is looked upon in awe. You have a stock 1964 Ford Mustang with all the original parts, colors, and tags. You then take that car and change it by putting a 2005 spoiler on the back end and a hood scope on the front. It might look hot but it's nothing special anymore. So I have to say again:

No JD in POTC! :p

[kates4u]

I love the ride and I love the movie, but I do NOT want them to combine the two!!!:mad:
Well put..that's exactly how I feel...

[Mr Incredible]

I hope that the Johnny Depp character being added to the PotC ride is just temporary, as part of the film's marketing. If it appears that this addition is permanet, I suggest that every should boycott the movie, turning it into a fiancial disaster, and hopefully will force them to remove Depp. The ride's a classic, the movie is good- but they shouldn't mix the two. It's inspired by the ride, not directly based on the ride.

[Grim Grinning Ghost]

Heres another way to look at it. While the ride is "classic" to most adults and some older kids, it may seem old & busted to the children of today. I know my 7 year nephew isn't impressed by the rides now "dated" technology. I think it would be interesting to see happen.

[DisneyResurrection]

Heres another way to look at it. While the ride is "classic" to most adults and some older kids, it may seem old & busted to the children of today. I know my 7 year nephew isn't impressed by the rides now "dated" technology. I think it would be interesting to see happen.

Fair enough, but I don't think Disney is planning on upgrading the "dated" technology, just putting charactors from the "titled" POTC movies in the attraction. Will that make the "dated" technology less "dated"? I have to say no. It will however ruin a "classic" ride. I think the younger generation will appreciate the rides history and whatnot when they are a little older.

[PeoplemoverMatt]

Heres another way to look at it. While the ride is "classic" to most adults and some older kids, it may seem old & busted to the children of today. I know my 7 year nephew isn't impressed by the rides now "dated" technology. I think it would be interesting to see happen.

Adding pointless movie AA's to the ride changes nothing in that regard. New technology can easily be installed without killing a classic ride. A good refurb does that. Adding Johnny Depp & crew along with it is pointless. When I was 7, that burning of the town scene scared me to death, so did the trek through the drunk Pirates shooting at each other at the end. If your nephew doesn't care, that's more a commentary to the present desensitization of children if anything. No one's impressed by an old sound system & stuff sure, so refurb it. A refurb doesn't need to include a movie! :icon_roll

-- Peoplemover "Politicians who do nothing but blame blame blame and that's it, suck :mad: " Matt

[DisneyManDan]

Well, Uncle Walt also said Disneyland is always changing and always getting better. If there was animatronics and effects that blow anything we've ever known on Pirates, I'm all for it.
Now, I don't know what the effects are, I haven't heard a thing... but I'd like to see a Pirate turn into a skeleton. That'd be awesome! I think they could easily put that in the caves when you first go down the waterfalls.
Also, POTC at Disneyworld stinks! It's nothing compared to the one at DL.
And true, ours is the "original," and I respect that. But we should also be known as the park with the cutting edge entertainment and NOT the one stuck back in the stone age. Just a thought.

[Retlaw]

Greetings,
One drawback to the updates, as I have read, is that the attraction will have a date stamp put upon it. It may be set +/- 200 years ago, however, with the changes it may be looked as a contemporary movie advert. I can just hear the conversation in the attraction que, " Oh ya, they made the movie 10 years ago, at least." A situation like that will, at some point, make any attraction look old. In Fantasyland you don't think of what year it is (until you go to purchase anything), New Orleans Square does offer the feel of the time of river travel with nothing newer than a Paddle Wheeler. Nothing to set a point in recent time, aside from when the Park was built. I have nothing against the movie,the cast, or even Jack (the Monkey). The question comes down to , "Is it really a smart idea to tie attractions to movie properties ?". Consider all that did not like the movie. Will they want to venture to Disneyland to see attractions that they have no interest in what it is based upon ? Keeping the POTC generic might be a better way to go. ."
cheers,
Steve
As always I understand that my comments may anger a few, some may label me a nut, or an annoyance. It's not a problem, it's the way my daughters treat me ....

[Grim Grinning Ghost]

OK, keep the Ideas Flowin. If everybody is opposed to adding the movie stuff into the ride, then perhaps they can simply add a new que (much like INDY) and just have movie related stuff in that. I for one would dig it. This would entice people in for sure, but you'd still get your old school Pirates fix.

[DeadMenTellNoTales]

OK, keep the Ideas Flowin. If everybody is opposed to adding the movie stuff into the ride, then perhaps they can simply add a new que (much like INDY) and just have movie related stuff in that. I for one would dig it. This would entice people in for sure, but you'd still get your old school Pirates fix.
They could even have a JD AA telling you the background to the story as you wait in line. Now thats what Disney should do, it would please most people. The ride would remain unchanged but at the same time people chould still get their fill of JD.

[Grim Grinning Ghost]

They could even have a JD AA telling you the background to the story as you wait in line. Now thats what Disney should do, it would please most people. The ride would remain unchanged but at the same time people chould still get their fill of JD.

Exaclty. And By doing only a movie themed que, removal of it (if need be) wouldnt be as difficult as completely restoring the ride itself back to it's original state.

[Executioner]

Doesn't the ride get enough people riding it without having to add characters from the movie? Every time I go the lines get pretty big. I don't like any of this adding movie stuff to the ride. Maybe the should change the name to Disney's Movieland instead.

[Retlaw]

Greetings,
Adding something ( J.D. audio-animatronic) in the que, would be a cost effective addition, and it really would not detract from the attraction. It's also easily fixable, should it not be welcomed. For the J.D. fans, they would be pleased. My daughters think it should be Orlando Bloom, but that's a completely different discussion. Back to the point, budgetwise it would be better to spend a bit here, and reserve the rest for other areas of the park that need R & R.
cheers,
Steve

[PeoplemoverMatt]

Put Johnny Depp in WDW's POTC. That would be an awesome move for them while saving the classic for the classic park. Does that not make 100% great sense?

-- Peoplemover "Today I find myself in an art class...I am too young to die..." Matt

[Retlaw]

That's an even better idea !
cheers,
Steve

[Animatronic Budgie]

Doesn't the ride get enough people riding it without having to add characters from the movie? Every time I go the lines get pretty big. I don't like any of this adding movie stuff to the ride. Maybe the should change the name to Disney's Movieland instead.


Admittedly, the last time I went wasn't during peak time, but the longest wait I had for POTC for that visit was five minutes.

It needs to be spruced up. Fixed in the worn spots. However, I don't know that drastic changes are in order.

[Disneyland_Wolf]

They will also change the name into The Pirates of the Scaribbean.

[PeoplemoverMatt]

^ Possible but VERY unlikely rumor.

-- Peoplemover "I likes the Carabeeners" Matt

[Hallas]

Who knows next they'll add Eddie Murphy into the Haunted Mansion! LOL!

[Disneyland_Wolf]

Nah, they won't make a animatronic of him. Because the HM movie isn't really that a big hit. POTC is really a big hit. So he won't made or add. Haunted Mansion came out before the movie.

[SurfedUpDane]

I think there should be an animatronic pirate placed in the POTC in my likeness. I am just as much of a pirate as Johnny Depp...maybe more?

[Imagineer Boy]

I seriously hope they don't do this. This was the ORIGINAL POTC. If they're going to make a movie version of it, do it to WDW's version, but not Walt's original classic. Its like redoing the Mona Lisa! What happened to the idea of the movie version of the ride only taking place at night? I heard they were going to do something like that by adding new scenes behind the pre-existing ones.

[Imagineer Boy]

Hold that thought, Mouse Planet journalist, and writer of the Mouse Tales novels, David Koening, has said that it is proposed that they will only have the movie tie-in scenes in an extended version of the ride that will only take place at night. This will go into the boat storage area where they'll build new scenes based off of the movie. Mind you, this version of the ride will only take place at night, and with a flip of a switch, the boats will be re-routed to the old boat storage where new scenes will take place. Sounds cool huh?

[Grim Grinning Ghost]

see, none of US thought of that. That would be very cool!

[GreenLantern13]

They made a point of distinguishing this from the "pirates of the scaribbean" rumor. It's essentially 2 different rumors about what will take place.

[Disneyland_Wolf]

Hold that thought, Mouse Planet journalist, and writer of the Mouse Tales novels, David Koening, has said that it is proposed that they will only have the movie tie-in scenes in an extended version of the ride that will only take place at night. This will go into the boat storage area where they'll build new scenes based off of the movie. Mind you, this version of the ride will only take place at night, and with a flip of a switch, the boats will be re-routed to the old boat storage where new scenes will take place. Sounds cool huh?

I love riding the original Pirates of the Carribean attraction at nighttime. They should not ruined it at night. Because the ride's show building is already in nighttime. Look at the realistic sky in POTC. Just leave it be!!

Never change a original, cause it will kill it or ruin it. Like what it did to the PeopleMover when it was change to Rocket Rods(I hate that ride). I love the Peoplemover like the way Peoplemovermatt does.

[Clotho]

Hold that thought, Mouse Planet journalist, and writer of the Mouse Tales novels, David Koening, has said that it is proposed that they will only have the movie tie-in scenes in an extended version of the ride that will only take place at night. This will go into the boat storage area where they'll build new scenes based off of the movie. Mind you, this version of the ride will only take place at night, and with a flip of a switch, the boats will be re-routed to the old boat storage where new scenes will take place. Sounds cool huh?

I read that today myself, and I love that idea! You get to still have your classic ride, AND the new/different. Just ride at the time of day you prefer to see which ride!

And since it is always nighttime inside, I don't see why anyone would care if they rode day or night. That doesn't make sense to me.

What a genius idea!

[Disneyland_Wolf]

Wow, it is a cool idea and creative. So the boats go into another show building right? At daytime, they closed it down for a while and switch show buildings.

[linklewtt]

You guys i think that you're like making a big deal out of nothing. so they'll add new things to the ride. that's not really changing it it's adding to it. it's the same ride with a few additions is all. i mean, they've made changes to Haunted Mansion as well as past changes to Pirates and the ride is the same good experience. so stop acting like they're tearing down the thing to make way for pooh, cuz they aren't. it'll still be there and they have a right to add to it if they want.

[linklewtt]

I love riding the original Pirates of the Carribean attraction at nighttime. They should not ruined it at night. Because the ride's show building is already in nighttime. Look at the realistic sky in POTC. Just leave it be!!

Never change a original, cause it will kill it or ruin it. Like what it did to the PeopleMover when it was change to Rocket Rods(I hate that ride). I love the Peoplemover like the way Peoplemovermatt does.

That wasn't changing the People Mover. that was completely removing the people mover, and yes there is a difference. So of course that ruined and essentially killed the PM cuz it no longer was there. but the new additions to POTC, if there are any, won't change it that drastically. suck it up and be happy and "always look on the bright side of life"

[PeoplemoverMatt]

You guys i think that you're like making a big deal out of nothing. so they'll add new things to the ride. that's not really changing it it's adding to it. it's the same ride with a few additions is all. i mean, they've made changes to Haunted Mansion as well as past changes to Pirates and the ride is the same good experience. so stop acting like they're tearing down the thing to make way for pooh, cuz they aren't. it'll still be there and they have a right to add to it if they want.

But they are changing it by adding to it. They changed the Pirates-chasing-women scene to be more PC and everyone agrees they basically ruined it for no good reason. Do you want this to happen again on a much broader scale? Nothing was added to the Haunted Mansion when those changes were made, except for replacing 1 of the changing portraits. It isn't like Eddie Murphy was added in the stretching room, seance room, graveyard & hitchhiking ghosts finale scene. Would you call that not changing the Haunted Mansion? This is the kind of change that's being rumored for POTC & that is why I say if it happens it means the death of the classic POTC.



That wasn't changing the People Mover. that was completely removing the people mover, and yes there is a difference. So of course that ruined and essentially killed the PM cuz it no longer was there. but the new additions to POTC, if there are any, won't change it that drastically. suck it up and be happy and "always look on the bright side of life"


However, the death of the classic POTC is not the same as the death of the Peoplemover. When you add Johnny Depp, you don't remove the float through track itself or severly modify it, you just ruin the classic scenes. It kills the spirit of the ride in a classic sense, but it doesn't kill the ride itself. I know my beloved Peoplemover will never return exactly as I once knew it. But, I would consider anything similar put in its place as a return of the Peoplemover.


Wow, it is a cool idea and creative. So the boats go into another show building right? At daytime, they closed it down for a while and switch show buildings.


Please don't take this as concrete fact and start spreading it around as a certain thing going to happen. It is a rumored proposal, nothing more.

-- Peoplemover "Keep movies out of the classics!! :mad: " Matt

[linklewtt]

^^they changed those POTC scenes because some people complained to City Hall about how inappropriate it was (they thought the pirates were chasing the women for sexual acts). i'm sure they were feminists. also these same people (or people just like them) complained about how high the lady in red at the auction was lifting her skirt. they thought that this was rude and vulgar, so Disneyland was "forced" to change it to something less revealing. Almost the same thing goes for the woman-in-a-barrel, which is now a cat-in-a-barrel. people complained that it was wrong to have a seemingly naked woman in a barell (sexual acts). so Disneyland didn't change the ride for no reason, they had to to make some people happy.

Plus, the changing portraits were changed to morph whenever the lightning flashes, and remember how the bride received a makeover?

And i loke POTC but i honestly don't feel that adding some more animatronics to some scenes will RUIN it. can you honestly say that you will never go on that ride again because you will hate it? or that you will go on it, but sulk in your boat whenever you pass those certain scenes? come on, let's trust Disneyland. although they have mucked up in the past, give them some credit and let them try to please us. who knows, maybe it'll be cool!

[PeoplemoverMatt]

^ If it's done in an obvious and stupid manner, I will sulk in my boat each time. If it's really bad, I'll push for it's boycott and I may never ride it again. I don't usually ride bad rides or see bad shows. They could do it pretty well and I'll just smile & miss the original. My point was that when you change the original, it kills the original. Fortunately just adding some AA's isn't that hard to change back once installed, but the point is they don't need to be installed. Eddie Murphy has no place in the original Haunted Mansion, Johnny Depp has no place in the original Pirates of the Caribbean. I don't care how much cash POTC flick brought in, it's still an unnecessary thing to do. I'm all for a major refurb, just leave Depp, Bloom, Rush & the rest out of it.

-- Peoplemover "And what do we do if we kill the original and 'Dead Man's Chest' turns out to be a loser? Hmm?" Matt

[Liserbell]

Alright, I took Daddy B's suggestion and contacted City Hall in Disneyland. She said there are no plans to change POTC in anyway. She also pointed out that they (Disney) did not own the rights to the likeness of either Jeffery Rush or Johnny Depp and that a special licensing agreement would have to be worked out first so she found it very unlikely that this would happen.

[linklewtt]

you know what i ahve to seriously say that the people on Mice Age or whatever seem to know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! it seems that so many rumors have been started by those "journalists" and yet no proof is shown or anything. so ya don't believe those guys cuz it sounds like they have their heads stuck up their you-know-what

[linklewtt]

^^i mean seriously Mice Age or wherever these rumors are coming from is starting to turn into Disneyland's Tabloid!

[Clotho]

I did read something about the PotC changes on Jim Hill, as well, which is a fairly reliable source. But this was a discussion of an overlay option, possibly expanding into a new area, where at certain times, you would ride the usual track, and at other times you would be routed into a different area (apparently where the spare boats are stored and serviced now?) for new scenes.

And I agree that it is unlikely they would put any actual actor's likeness in there. but they can have a Jack Sparrow and Barbosa that are not exactly those actors, but still come across in likeness to the characters we know from the movie.

[linklewtt]

ya they do have the right to do something like that i'm sure

[Imagineer Boy]

Wow, it is a cool idea and creative. So the boats go into another show building right? At daytime, they closed it down for a while and switch show buildings.

Not really. You see, behind the current POTC sets is a HUGE backstage area and boat storage. What they're planning to do is convert the whole backstage area in to new scenes based off of the POTC movies. With a flip of the switch, some of the show scenes in the underwater caves switch around, Barbosa appears on the pirate bombarment scene while the old ones go down. And the boat goes through a switch which will direct them away from the usual route, and go through the back stage area where the new scenes take place.

[ScaryTrees]

So im guessing that they are adding new scenes and not messing with the old ones? If thats true then I dont think that it will kill the ride as much as everyone else seems to think it is

[Executioner]

Wouldn't they have to build a whole new boat storage area off of that then? Maybe not, but it does seem like it might be a really big undertaking and cost alot to even makeover that area just for this. Plus they would have to build a wall of some sort that would close off the the view of the other scene you are not going to, but also have that wall tie in to the look of the ride for both open and closed for the two rides.

[camaro87488]

Alright, I took Daddy B's suggestion and contacted City Hall in Disneyland. She said there are no plans to change POTC in anyway. She also pointed out that they (Disney) did not own the rights to the likeness of either Jeffery Rush or Johnny Depp and that a special licensing agreement would have to be worked out first so she found it very unlikely that this would happen.



Ya but look at Indiana Jones He does not look like Harrsion Ford because they do not have his license. They can still put the AAs in but they may look nothing like Johnny Depp or Geoffery Rush. That would make it an even worse idea. imagine seeing the new AAs and people do not even know that they added them from the movie or complain about how they look so much different. Remember they may not own the actors put they do own the character.

[linklewtt]

ok ya it may not look like them exactly, but remember that they are in character. they are all dressed up in the movie, right? the Indy AA in IJA does look somewhat like Harrison Ford. it's not an EXACT replica, but i think most people would recognize him as Harrison Ford, or even better, as Indiana Jones. So they won't be trying to make a clone of Geoffrey and Johnny, just a LIKENESS.

[ManaByte]

Ya but look at Indiana Jones He does not look like Harrsion Ford because they do not have his license. They can still put the AAs in but they may look nothing like Johnny Depp or Geoffery Rush. That would make it an even worse idea. imagine seeing the new AAs and people do not even know that they added them from the movie or complain about how they look so much different. Remember they may not own the actors put they do own the character.

However, since the Pirates trilogy IS a Disney property they likely do have the OK to use the actor's likenesses (just look at Kingdom Hearts II where they use Depp and Knightley for the Pirates part).

[JayandSara]

But what about the many people who have NOT seen the movie? They wouldn't know who Captain Jack Sparrow was. And what's next? Are we going to see a likeness of Eddie Murphy in the Haunted Mansion after it's next refurb? I think they they seriously need to rethink this......

I think if people haven't seen the movie then a Jack Sparrow animatronic will look just like the rest of the pirates. As long as the ride doesn't turn into a giant promotion for the movie, I think it's great! There have been few times that Disney has revamped their rides where it hasn't turned out pretty neat. I say give it a chance. They seem to know what they're doing by now.

[Liserbell]

However, since the Pirates trilogy IS a Disney property they likely do have the OK to use the actor's likenesses (just look at Kingdom Hearts II where they use Depp and Knightley for the Pirates part).

It is most likely a limited agreement. Putting them forever in the park, what with gate fees and such would require renegotiations. If they are added, the others are right, it will more likely be the characters more then the actors.

I guess at this time I will just wait and see. I did what I could with City Hall and asked. I also put down my name as being happy with the ride as it is now. I will just trust that the imagineers know what they are doing and hope for the best. Since the last change they made really made me mad, I guess I'm just really hesitent.:(

[ScaryTrees]

I dont think that the actors would really mind having an animatronic of themselves in a ride would you turn something like that down? I know I probably wouldnt so I dont think having their permission would be that much of a problem

[linklewtt]

BTW speaking of likenesses and such, whoever once said thet the girl in red that slaps Johnny Depp in POTC in Tortuga looks like the girl on the actual ride lifting her dress up at the bride auction...you're wrong! they look nothing alike besides the fact that they are both in red. the AA has a hat on, the actress doesn't. and the AA looks pretty proper, while the actress is made up to look a bit like a prostitute (heavy makeup and such).

Ya, and the AAs of Depp and Rush can just have their likenesses, not their actual features like the Lincoln AA. you would be able to tell who they are supposed to be by just dressing them in exact copies of their costumes worn in the film. anyways, i still believe this all a hoax that we all have fallen for and someoen, whoever started this silly thing, is laughing their butt off.

[Disneyland_Wolf]

.Ya, and the AAs of Depp and Rush can just have their likenesses, not their actual features like the Lincoln AA. you would be able to tell who they are supposed to be by just dressing them in exact copies of their costumes worn in the film.

Like the AA Indy in IJA, the AA do has the likenesses of Harrison Ford. But wait a minute. Actually the AA Indy's face was really Harrison Ford's face, they used clay to mold Harrison's face to make all of the 3 AA Indys throughtout the ride. Sometimes it is pretty hard to copy a actor/actress into an audio-animatronic.

Disneyland's Audio-animatronics rock! (cause they look so realistic and move realisticlly).

[linklewtt]

^^IJA's AAs is different than POTC AAs. Indy has a fairly basic costume and a hat. A POTC AA that's supposed to be Depp would have a wig, the costume, and other stuff. so the faces of the AAs don't need to be made from molds of Depp's face; rather his clothes should be the same as the actual character and his face should be similar at least to depp's, not an exact copy. you'd be able to tell who he's supposed to be by his clothes, not necessarily by his face. and his voice, if played, would also clue you in to who it's supposed to be.

[Disneyland_Wolf]

Well, I know this really cool fun fact from IJA. All of the AA Indys are not wearing basic costumes. Indy's clothes and pants are made out of rubber fabric. The clothes, the hat, the pants are molded with all of the AA Indy figures. Even, 2 of the the AAs of Indy are hydraulicly operated. Expect the one hanging on the rope at the boulder finale, He is pneumatically opearted, so Indy won't drip oil on top of the guests.

Audio-animatronics are not robots of course, but they are, not really. All of the voices and the movements are pre-recorded.

[linklewtt]

^^ok that's not what I meant about Indy having a basic costume. if you look at his costume vs. Jack Sparrow's, Indy's is not as elaborate or made up as Jack's. Jack's has much more depth because he is a pirate. he wears more and has more of a costumey feeling than Indy, who wears pants, a shirt, and a hat basically. i wasn't talking about how his costume was created.

[byucougs]

If they intend to put JD in POTC, when are they going to add Eddie Murphey to the Haunted Mansion? Wouldn't that be the same thing?

[GreenLantern13]

How many times is that analogy seriously going to be made?

One was insanely popular, one was a bomb. One would get people excited, one would be an utter distraction.

It wouldn't be the same thing at all, and depending on how they might implement it, that's not even going into how the tweaks on the theming aspect wouldn't be the same.



And even if you think it's the same, say something original on the matter :P

[JEV4]

Disney is not about hi-tech stuff!Disney is about the magic of classics!

[GreenLantern13]

Disney is very much about hi-tech stuff. It was always about trying to invent new ways to create magical classics.

[Executioner]

Disney is about hi-tech engineering. Walt was always looking for new cutting edge technology he could use and make better. Look at Audio Animatronics. Also the different means of transportation he got involved in. Why, even his version of EPCOT was even hi-tech, not that it isn't anyway.

[Disneyland_Wolf]

Look at the refurbisment schedule, Pirates of the Caribbean will be closed for 3 months on 2006, what a bummer.

[simba_one]

Look at the refurbisment schedule, Pirates of the Caribbean will be closed for 3 months on 2006, what a bummer.
:eek: What months is it closed?! Please don't say July or August!!! :icon_conf It can't be... busiest months!! :icon_cry:

[Cavemandon]

:eek: What months is it closed?It's scheduled to be down the beginning of March through Mid June, 2006.

[camaro87488]

Why, even his version of EPCOT was even hi-tech, not that it isn't anyway.

I think that Walt's EPCOT was completly ruined. I even read somewhere that in Walt's dying days he worried what would happen to his park and what would become of EPCOT.

[linklewtt]

it was decided (and wisely so) that EPCOT according to Walt's vision would not be able to function. It would not be able to function correctly with people living there constantly coming in and out and tourists coming and constantly going in and out. The decision was made to make it into a theme park. So yes, Walt's vision was ruined, but for the better. So get over it already and embrace EPCOT for what it is.

Besides if Walt's vision did come true, then EPCOT would be even more boring than it is today (in places). Think about it: would you want to visit a "futuristic" city with no rides, JUST learning tools. No, it would be so boring like EPCOT was when it first opened.

[PeoplemoverMatt]

^ Just about everything at Epcot (not EPCOT, official spelling was changed) is still a learning tool of some form or another. They just learned how to do "edu-tainment" with G-forces, 65MPH speed & cool geodesic dome.

-- Peoplemover "I felt the most home in Epcot...even my own home doesn't feel as homey as that place did...weird..." Matt

[linklewtt]

^ Just about everything at Epcot (not EPCOT, official spelling was changed) is still a learning tool of some form or another. They just learned how to do "edu-tainment" with G-forces, 65MPH speed & cool geodesic dome.

-- Peoplemover "I felt the most home in Epcot...even my own home doesn't feel as homey as that place did...weird..." Matt

Aha, that's my point exactly. JUST about everything is a learning tool, however, they were able to make rides with more emphasis on fun rather than learning. This would be very hard to accomplish in a working society. In other words, a theme park and a working/living society would not be able to coexist...unless...

Future World was where all the attractions and rides were and the homes and things were where all the pavillions are in the World Showcase. that could be cool...it would be very exclusive though, rent would be ENORMOUS!

*PS: I spelled it EPCOT because I was talking about Walt's original intention for the park, which used EPCOT as an anagram or whatever they are called

[PeoplemoverMatt]

^ Yeah...and you pretty much missed mine. EPCOT, acronym, stands for Experimental Prototype City of Tomorrow. What I was trying to get across was that learning is still there, it's just incorporated & complemented by some new thrills, but they still emphasize learning. Mission Space is about learning more about what it's like to be an astronaut while *wink* training to become an astronaut yourself. Test Track is all about learning what a car goes through before it's approved for the showroom floor.

Personally I'll take Spaceship Earth over Soarin', but I know I'm weird like that. I think it's great that Epcot reminds us that learning and fun can co-exist with each other very well. That's something the world struggles to understand. Students think they'll either learn, or have fun, not both at the same time. But, it can happen! It takes a certain talent to pull it off well, but it is certainly possible.

-- Peoplemover "Betcha never thought a math class could be fun :wink: " Matt

[linklewtt]

^^Ya i got that point completely. I think you completely missed me completely getting your point. Mission Space does teach you about space, however it puts more emphasis on fun. you come out thinking "wow, that was intense!" not "wow, I had no idea astronauts did that. I have been taught a valuable lesson in technology." The same goes for Test Track. You come out thinking how great the ride was, not about the mechanics of a car or how your car went through all that. They teach you, but more emphasis is put on the thrill of the ride rather than the lesson.

SE is perhaps an exception to the 2 attractions above cuz that puts more emphasis on learning. But this whole tangent isn't even what I was talking about as a whole.

My real point is that a theme park and a working/living community can not coexist, which is why EPCOT (Walt's original intention) was not carried out and instead turned in to Epcot. Let's stick to that statement instead of the detour above.

[camaro87488]

I know that EPCOT could never be as Walt wanted it and I think Walt knew that would happen.I never said that the Epcot park is not a great place as it is. And I thought Walt always planed for the theme park to be outside the city connected by monorail. Anyways what I meant was that all that planning Walt did for like the Peoplemover and the dome and Some of Walts other ideas were thrown at the window. Not to say that all of theim were but Walt really wanted to run his own city.

[linklewtt]

did he even plan to have a theme park? i thought it was like he wanted it to be a futuristic city that focused on advancements in technology and he wanted people to visit and see what the city had to offer or something...i dunno what was his actual intention?

[ScaryTrees]

I thought he wanted the Magic Kingdom park where it is then the EPCOT city in the middle of WDW and somewhere just outside the city he wanted a theme park that was basically Tomorrowland but bigger and more stuff in it. Well I'm not sure if thats exactly how it went but thats the way I heard it

[camaro87488]

I saw the full video of Walt describing EPCOT. It used to be on a website somewhere. I remember the part where he describes how there will be another theme park and it will be connected by monorail. Cast Members would ride the Peoplemover to the monorail station and then take that to work. I remember Walt saying that all cars and trucks will travel in tunnels below the city. He said the Peoplemover will be the replacement for cars. Imagine taking the Peoplemover to work instead of the Metrolink.

[simba_one]

It's scheduled to be down the beginning of March through Mid June, 2006.
Thanks for letting me know!!! Didn't think one of the most popular attractions would be down for the Summer Season but two of the three Mountains were down last Summer so thought I'd better check. So if the whole adding AA's of characters from the filsm does go ahead, I'll get to see them!!!! :biggrin: