"The Toontown Trial"

[mickeymania1]

I have an idea for a sequel to the 1988 Touchstone film, "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" where it takes place in modern day time where Roger is convicted of assault on Baby Herman & is held on trial which soon send him to "Horkpuckle Avery Prison." And all problems ensue when The Weasels return & swear revenge on Roger & Jessica.
I don't know what'll happen in the story but I want to make a sequel that shows respect for the original film but has stuff that you wouldn't expect.

Here's some stuff that'll have to change:
-The movie will be made by Walt Disney Pictures instead of Touchstone Pictures
-Amblin will not be a part of this sequel
-There shall only be Disney Toons & no Warner toons
-The ACME Warehouse will be renamed the Gag Warehouse.
-The language & profanity will be minimized.

What do y'all think?

[Big Disney Fan]

I was thinking that maybe the sequel should take place TEN years after the original movie. That year, Maroon Studios would follow the example of Disney and put its stable of toons on television. Hence, the new movie would take place in 1957. Also, you would have to include all the toons from the first movie, plus add in any toons created after '47 and before '57. Otherwise, good ideas.

Or the beginning cartoon at the start of the movie could be done in Cinemascope.

[Big Disney Fan]

BTW, did you know that "The Toontown Trial" was one of the working titles for the original Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

[mickeymania1]

Really? I didn't know that! OH MY GOSH!

[Big Disney Fan]

Really? I didn't know that! OH MY GOSH!

That's right. Says so not only on the ol' reliable IMDB, but also on the second disc of the WFRR DVD.

[mickeymania1]

Anyways I changed it to taking place in 1957 & have a Chinese stunt man named, Fung Kwee (played by, Jet Li) replace Eddie Valiant & have a character named, R.K. Maroon, Jr. (Played by Willem Dafoe) but it'll feature Kwee trying to help Roger break outta prison & save Jessica from the weasels who'll reveal who their new boss is.

[Big Disney Fan]

Anyways I changed it to taking place in 1957 & have a Chinese stunt man named, Fung Kwee (played by, Jet Li) replace Eddie Valiant & have a character named, R.K. Maroon, Jr. (Played by Willem Dafoe) but it'll feature Kwee trying to help Roger break outta prison & save Jessica from the weasels who'll reveal who their new boss is.

I think for the title, how about "Who Framed Roger Rabbit... Again"? Or "WFRR 2: The Toontown Trial"?

I like the idea of R.K. Maroon, Jr. He could be the heir to the Maroon business and his new leadership of the studio could be in place almost immediately after Doom did away with his father in the original movie.

Here are a couple of other ideas:
--Benny the cab falls in love with a female Toon '57 Chevy that is pink in color (kinda like the subplot of Herbie Goes To Monte Carlo). She could be voiced by either Bonnie Hunt or Jodi Benson.
--The movie starts with another cartoon, just like the original WFRR, but in this case, since it's a TV cartoon and television was B&W back then, the cartoon would be in B&W. Just like the theatrical toons, though, they're "filmed" on a soundstage. The screen could fade to color when the toon ends. How about calling the show "The Roger Rabbit Show"?
--A rumor that Eddie Valiant had been murdered.
--An appearance by Disneyland! (Hey, it's a Disney movie and it's set in Southern California, so why not add the park in?)

What do you think?

[mickeymania1]

Yeah I like the romance between Benny & that 57 car who I already have a name for, Jenny.
I think mainly it should start off with a Roger Rabbit & Baby Herman cartoon but with a twist featuring Baby Herman losing to Roger & have Baby Herman getting in trouble by Mommy Herman.
I was thinking of maybe sending the Walt disney company a possible script for a Roger Rabbit sequel.
If anyone has any suggestions for the script feel free to post em but don't change anything in the plot.
Happy writing!

[Big Disney Fan]

Yeah I like the romance between Benny & that 57 car who I already have a name for, Jenny.
I think mainly it should start off with a Roger Rabbit & Baby Herman cartoon but with a twist featuring Baby Herman losing to Roger & have Baby Herman getting in trouble by Mommy Herman.
I was thinking of maybe sending the Walt disney company a possible script for a Roger Rabbit sequel.
If anyone has any suggestions for the script feel free to post em but don't change anything in the plot.
Happy writing!

Should the cartoon at the start of the movie be a theatrical cartoon (that is, made for theaters) or should it be a TV cartoon? I'm fine with either choice, but if we go with the former option, it should clearly be in Cinemascope (that is, widescreen), like many other theatrical cartoons at the time. I think Maroon Cartoons could adapt the Cinemascope style much like any other studios at the time. In fact, I seem to recall that ALL cartoons from MGM in 1957 were done in Cinemascope, as were a majority of those at Terrytoons that same year.

But I'm afraid Disney doesn't accept ideas from the general public. If you wanted to have the movie done for real, you'd have to actually work there yourself, although you would make a swell writer if you did work there.

Anyway, I thought of having the number of Toon Patrol weasels be upped a bit and include, among others, one with a monocle and speaks with a British accent, another with a French accent and another with an eye patch.

[mickeymania1]

Yeah I actually thought it would be funny if Roger & Kwee find the Toon Patrol hideout & in it are like thousands of weasels all with different personas.

[Big Disney Fan]

I was thinking of having the intro cartoon be in widescreen (to contemplate the Cinemascope it will be made in) and in fact, the intro cartoon, though it will feature the same music as before, it will actually have a different intro scene, similar to the Cinemascope intros of Disney's Cinemascope toons. In fact, it would a lot like Disney's Cinemascope intros, but with all references to Disney replaced by that of Maroon Cartoons and Donald Duck showing off the titles being replaced by Roger.

Now, for the cartoon itself (for which I can't think of a name), it will start off like the MGM Cinemascope toon, "Give and Tyke", which stars Spike and Tyke, the father and son bulldogs from many Tom and Jerry toons.

Here's what happens in the beginning of the Roger Rabbit/Baby Herman cartoon I've thought up:

We open on a collarless dog whose personality basically echoes that of Art Carney's character Ed Norton (even wearing the same hat as Norton and uttering, "Va-va-va-voom!"). The dog is just walking along down the street, minding his own business and humming the Maroon Cartoons theme. He gathers some old discarded food from a trashcan to eat and then discovers, to his shock, lying there at his feet, a piece of the front page of the latest newspaper whose headline says: LAST DAY FOR FREEDOM OF UNLICENSED DOGS! Beneath that it reads: "All unlicensed and/or homeless dogs will hereby be locked up in the city pound." By a shocking coincidence, a dogcatcher is in the vicinity and he discovers the Norton-type dog. The dog screams and runs away, the dogcatcher in hot pursuit. The dog manages to stall the dogcatcher by knocking trashcans over to slow him down. Meanwhile, the dog runs off and looks around, desperately trying to find a place to hide. In no time, lo and behold, he discovers (according to the house's mailbox) the residence of none other than the Hermans! Inside, Mrs. Herman is soundly berating Roger for his tomfoolery (Baby Herman is in the playpen, looking like he's on the verge of tears):

MRS. HERMAN: ...and furthermore, Roger Rabbit, I have had it up to my neck with your tomfoolery. Your personality is your worst enemy. Now, I'm going out for a short while. Baby Herman is staying here with you. And you had better behave yourself. Don't slip up again. And don't you dare let anyone into this house. Or so help me, IT'S BACK TO THE SCIENCE LAB FOR YOU THIS TIME!!!

ROGER: (gulps) Hey, don't you worry, mommy dearest. You go right ahead and leave everything to me. I'm a world-class sitter. I can take care of children with one hand behind my back or while standing on one foot or while blind-folded.

Mrs. Herman walks away, her footsteps fading in volume, until she is outside the door, which is heard slamming shut. Meanwhile, Baby Herman is seen looking at the Norton-esque dog, staring at him from the window.

BABY HERMAN: Doggie.

Roger turns back to his charge. But Baby Herman is missing from the playpen and is instead climbing up the window to look at the dog. Roger's eyes bug out like a telescope while a car horn sound plays in the background.

ROGER: No, baby! You're too little to play with dogs!

...and that's all I can think of right now.

So what do you think? That's all I can think of right now. All I know is we'll go with your twist ending, with Baby Herman getting in trouble instead of Roger for once. All we need now is to bridge the sequence between my start and your twist in the end. Also, we need to come up with a name for the cartoon. What should it be?

[mickeymania1]

Ya know, I actually like that idea. You sure have a lot of skill in storytelling. I would've never thought of that. But oh yeah I love the dog idea! Maybe we can have Roger chasing Baby Herman all over town to places like, the zoo, the theme park, the dog pound & back home again.
What do ya think the cartoon should be called? I was thinking, "Going to the Dogs" but maybe you might have something better.

[Big Disney Fan]

What do ya think the cartoon should be called? I was thinking, "Going to the Dogs" but maybe you might have something better.

I like "Going To the Dogs". Sounds good. Anyway, the one thing I dislike about your idea is the fact that only Disney characters make cameo appearances here. I think this movie needs all the Toons from the first one, plus any ones that were both not part of the first movie (i.e., Popeye, Felix the Cat, Tom and Jerry, etc.) and were made after 1947 and before '57 (much of the casts of Melody Time, Ichabod and Mr. Toad, Cinderella, Alice In Wonderland, Peter Pan and Lady and the Tramp, among others).

Anywho, I will sometime try to put up a complete list of Toons to make a cameo in this movie. In the meantime, to give you an idea of what to expect, here's a list of all the Toons that made an appearance in the first movie, at least according to Wikipedia: Wikipedia: Toon Cameos In "WFRR" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Framed_Roger_Rabbit#Cartoon_characte rs_that_make_cameo_appearances) (you'll have to do some scrolling to view them all).

I just thought of some other things as well:
--Because Benny has fallen in love with Jenny, his road performance becomes more erratic than ever.
--The Ed Norton-type canine from the beginning cartoon has much of an appearance out in the real world as well. In fact, he sides with Roger and Kwee throughout the movie.
--Your idea for the villain in the movie (you mentioned him as the weasels' new boss) should be depicted as so evil he makes Judge Doom look like a mild-mannered gentleman.

[mickeymania1]

I was thinking of amking R.K. Maroon, Jr. being the Toon Patrol's boss

[Big Disney Fan]

I was thinking of amking R.K. Maroon, Jr. being the Toon Patrol's boss

So I'm guessing he's the bad guy here? I guess this plot involves an example of betrayal. Maybe he could revive the Toon Patrol?

[Big Disney Fan]

Hey, I just thought of something else. You might want to take a look at this: a Wikipedia article on a story entitled, Roger Rabbit and the Resurrection of Doom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Rabbit:_The_Resurrection_of_Doom). I was thinking our movie could pick up from where this story leaves off.

I was thinking that C.B. Maroon is R.K., Sr.'s brother. But in 1952, he died in a car crash (or so that's what people would think). And then R.K., Sr.'s son, R.K., Jr., takes over.

Anyway, I would like you to also feast your eyes on this: the complete filmography of Maroon Cartoons' cartoons (including the one to play at the start here), according to its respective article at Wikipedia:

The Little Injun That Could (1938)
Herman's Shermans (1945)
Pistol Packin' Possum (1946)
The Wet Nurse (1947)
Something's Cookin' (1947)*
Tummy Trouble (1947)**
Roller Coaster Rabbit (1947)**
Trail Mix-Up (1947)**
Babes In Arms (1948)
Hare In My Soup (1949)***
Cotton Swabs (1950)***
Hare-Raising Havoc (1950)
Going To the Dogs (1957; C)****


*This cartoon is the one that played at the start of the original WFRR. It ends abruptly due to Roger's blunder.
**These cartoons were all made for real.
***These cartoons were intended to be made as well, but were aborted due to disagreements between Disney and Spielberg.
****This is the cartoon that plays before the second WFRR movie. The "C", in case you don't know, stands for Cinemascope, which is what this cartoon is released in.

So what do you think?

[mickeymania1]

Okay. Maybe we could also have Baby Herman call cut instead of Roger messing up because he wants the ending to change to focus on him more.
Anyways when we're done with the cartoon we can start writing out an introduction for Kwee.

[Big Disney Fan]

Okay. Maybe we could also have Baby Herman call cut instead of Roger messing up because he wants the ending to change to focus on him more.
Anyways when we're done with the cartoon we can start writing out an introduction for Kwee.

Actually, what I was considering was we develop bits and pieces of the storyline and characters here and there and fit them together like a puzzle. So far, we have a few new characters:

Humans:
--R.K. Maroon, Jr.
--Fung Kwee

Toons:
--Jenny the Chevy
--The Ed Norton-type dog (haven't come up with a name yet, though)
--LOTS more Toon Patrol weasels

[mickeymania1]

I actually have a name fo the dog. At first I wanted to name it, Ed but I didn't wanna confuse the audience because of the main character, Eddie in "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" so I named it Norty & I also thought that he'd sorta be a master of disguise throughout the entire movie like for instance, he'd disguise himself as a Toon Patrol member.

[Big Disney Fan]

I actually have a name fo the dog. At first I wanted to name it, Ed but I didn't wanna confuse the audience because of the main character, Eddie in "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" so I named it Norty & I also thought that he'd sorta be a master of disguise throughout the entire movie like for instance, he'd disguise himself as a Toon Patrol member.

Hmm, Norty as the name of the Norton-type dog? Not bad at all. I also like the idea of him being a master of disguise. People could view Norty as being carefree, but still kind of sneaky.

And speaking of the Toon Patrol weasels, what of the weasels? I think I see their hideout as being kinda like a tavern for pirates.

Finally, I was thinking of having the number of Toon cameos being drastically updated from the first movie to now include Toons made after 1947 and before 1957, although a handful of post-'47 Toons did appear in the first movie. Do you think there should be any post-'57 Toons to appear in the new movie?

Anyway, next time, I will list all the Toons to appear in the new movie that did not appear in the first movie. All I can tell you right now is that all the Toons that appeared in the first movie will appear in the new movie. But anyway, should there be any Toons that were made after 1957 to be included in the new movie as well (just as there were post-'47 Toons that were in the original movie)?

[Big Disney Fan]

As promised, I've decided to dedicate this next part of the thread to be about all of the cameos of the Toons to appear in this movie. All of the Toons from the first Roger Rabbit movie will appear in the new one we're thinking of here. Here is a link to the list of Toons who were found in the first Roger Rabbit movie: WFRR: Cartoon characters in "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Framed_Roger_Rabbit#Cartoon_characte rs_that_make_cameo_appearances).

Anywho, here it is now, the list of Toons who are not in the first movie but are in the second movie. And it's not just characters who were made after '47 and before '57, but also some characters who were made beforehand but were scrapped, and also, yes, some anachronistic post-'57 characters. Alright, here it is now, the list of all the Toons who will appear in the new Roger Rabbit movie but did not appear in the first one...

Disney

Huey, Dewey and Louie
Chip 'n' Dale*
Scrooge McDuck**
Ranger J. Audubon Woodlore
Humphrey and the other Brownstone bears
Susie the Little Blue Coupe
Geppetto
Figaro
Timothy Mouse
Thumper and Flower
Willie the Operatic Whale
Brer Rabbit
Brer Fox
Bongo and Lulubelle
Johnny Appleseed
Pecos Bill
Widowmaker
Ichabod Crane
Cinderella
Jaq and Gus-Gus
Fairy Godmother
Lady Tremaine
Anastasia and Drizella
Alice
White Rabbit
Mad Hatter and March Hare
Cheshire Cat
Queen of Hearts and King of Hearts
Peter Pan
Wendy Darling
Michael Darling
John Darling
Captain Hook
Mr. Smee
The Lost Boys
Lady and the Tramp
Jock and Trusty
Princess Aurora**
Prince Phillip**
Flora, Fauna and Merryweather**
Maleficent**
Winnie the Pooh**
Tigger**
King Leonidas**
Elliot the Dragon**

Warner Bros.

Elmer Fudd*
Tasmanian Devil
Gossamer
Pepe Le Pew
Witch Hazel
Rocky and Mugsy
Michigan J. Frog
Sylvester, Jr.
The Three Bears

MGM

Tom and Jerry*
Barney Bear

Paramount/Famous Studios

Popeye*
Olive Oyl
Bluto*
Swee'pea
Wimpy

Walter Lantz

Andy Panda
Chilly Willy (mentioned in WFRR)

Terrytoons

Mighty Mouse
Pearl Pureheart
Oil Can Harry

Other

Felix the Cat*
Krazy Kat*


* = Denotes characters who were rejected from the first movie for any reason
** = Denotes anachronisms (i.e., characters made AFTER 1957)

So as you can see by the list above, if we were to take this list of Toons and merge it with the one of the Toons who appeared in the original Roger Rabbit movie, we'd have quite a cavalcade of stars here, wouldn't we? But that's what I want to do here, to take the Toons from the first movie and the ones that appear only in this movie and merge them all here at once. That would make for a HUGE cavalcade of cartoon stars. Anyway, what do you think?

[mickeymania1]

The weasels actually could hang out at the Toontown docks at a pirate ship bar where many pirate weasels could be.

[Big Disney Fan]

The weasels actually could hang out at the Toontown docks at a pirate ship bar where many pirate weasels could be.

Weren't the weasels supposed to be more like law officers in the first movie? After all, weren't they call like the TOON Patrol? When the weasels tried to enter Valiant's apartment, they knocked on the door and yelled, "Open up in the name of the law!" I would think to put them in pirate-like roles would be kinda going against their original positions? Maybe you could explain what happens, please?

[mickeymania1]

It's just a hang out for them. They also have connections all over the world & even on the seas.

[Big Disney Fan]

Before we continue on, what did you think of my list of additional Toon cameos? The ones from the first movie will be in there, too; I just didn't feel the need to add them all in, or it would've made one big, long post. Anyway, what did you think? You never did give me your response.:icon_cry:

[mickeymania1]

I think they're excellent. Grab a tissue, too.

[Big Disney Fan]

I think they're excellent. Grab a tissue, too.

Thank you! Oh, yeah, I think just to be anachronistic, I think we should also include a handful of Hanna-Barbera cartoon stars as well, including: The Flintstones, Yogi Bear, Huckleberry Hound, Pixie and Dixie and Quick Draw McGraw.

Now let us continue on, huh? I think we ought to include into the movie some pop culture of the time period set by this movie, kinda like what happens in the game Destroy All Humans.

And you know how in the first movie Eddie and Roger are hiding in a theater at one point to avoid the weasels and they're watching a Goofy cartoon called "Goofy Gymnastics" (from 1949)? Well, why not have a similar kind of scene, in which Roger is hiding with Fung Kwee in his apartment from the weasels on his heels? On the TV in the apartment is an episode of the Disneyland TV show. I'm thinking of having the show on the TV be "A Day In the Life of Donald Duck", showing the Donald Duck song being played there ("Quack quack quack, Donald Duck / He's my little pal / Quack quack quack, Donald Duck / Daisy is his gal", etc.).

[mickeymania1]

Nah, I'm not sure about Hanna Barbera cartoons. I don't really like them & I won't want them in the script also the Fluntstones are based off the Honeymooners which Norty is based off so I don't want any Hannas Barberas.

[Big Disney Fan]

Nah, I'm not sure about Hanna Barbera cartoons. I don't really like them & I won't want them in the script also the Fluntstones are based off the Honeymooners which Norty is based off so I don't want any Hannas Barberas.

All right, fine. HB characters are out. They're a bit anachronistic, anyway.

Anyway, I'd like to hear some more of your ideas for the plot and the script.

What did you think of my TV idea in Fung's apartment? That would be equivalent to the movie theater scene where Roger and Eddie are hiding and watching that Goofy cartoon on gymnastics, which itself is an anachronism, since it came out in 1949. For my TV viewing idea, how they watch momentarily a Disneyland episode, maybe that Donald Duck one which features that new song about him.

[Big Disney Fan]

I think they're excellent. Grab a tissue, too.

Oh, yeah, just so you know, I added Little Lulu and Casper the Friendly Ghost to the new premiere Toons list above. To them, I also added the asterisk which denotes that they were intended for inclusion in the original film, but were scrapped for any reason.

BTW, I think another plotline I was thinking was for the bad guy to be even worse (that is, more evil) than Judge Doom, he could be intent on wanting to purchase and then wipe out not only Toontown, but also pretty much all of the districts of Los Angeles, including Chinatown, where Fung Kwee knows lots of people! And since Fung is of Chinese descent, he of course will not stand for it! He heavily believes in equal rights for ALL races, colors, creeds and paints, so he helps out to protect Toontown, Chinatown and all other LA districts from destruction.

What do you think?

[mickeymania1]

I also hate Little Lulu, Casper & Asterix. Those shows make me angry. When I first saw Little Lulu she just annoyed me & I have no intention of placing her in a Disney movie. Same with Casper.
Asterix doesn't fit with Disney & I also never liked his comics. If I'm being harsh, I'm sorry but this is a Disney movie & I think placing those characters in would be a major mistake.

I also want to have many scenes where Kwee & Roger do martial arts against the weasels.

[Big Disney Fan]

I also hate Little Lulu, Casper & Asterix. Those shows make me angry. When I first saw Little Lulu she just annoyed me & I have no intention of placing her in a Disney movie. Same with Casper.
Asterix doesn't fit with Disney & I also never liked his comics. If I'm being harsh, I'm sorry but this is a Disney movie & I think placing those characters in would be a major mistake.

I also want to have many scenes where Kwee & Roger do martial arts against the weasels.

Okay, Lulu and Casper are out, too, but I've never even considered the Asterix characters. I don't think they were around back then. They're not even from the States; they were made in France.

As for the martial arts scenes, those are good ideas. However, Roger, being Roger, should be a bit clumsy in his approach towards these stunts.

I also thought of something else: I heard that some people have assailed Toontown in the first movie for having too much of a Tex Avery influence and not enough of a Chuck Jones influence. So why not give the Toontown of this movie more of that Jones influence? The influence of Avery will still be there, but now it will get mixed with the wild Chuck Jones influence. What do you think of that?

[Big Disney Fan]

I'm sorry, but I have some heart-breaking news:

These days Walt Disney is just too incompetent to flesh out an entertaining animated/family film all by themselves.

Chicken Little sucked. Home On The Range sucked. They NEED Pixar to make decent animated films, and they need Amblin to keep the Roger Rabbit saga alive. Without Amblin our sequel is just going to be like the show "Bonkers" or worse.

And yet with Spielberg on board, who knows what might happen, good or bad? More likely than not, probably bad. VERY bad. If Spielberg were on board, Disney would just be begging for trouble. Still, I believe Amblin had more creative input in Who Framed Roger Rabbit than Walt Disney did. Esp. considering the Amblin cartoons "Tiny Toon Adventures" "Animaniacs" & "Pinky & The Brain".

I'm sick and tired of Spielberg pretty much hogging the Roger Rabbit stuff for himself, though. These characters need to come out into the open for everyone again. They're hardly ever around at the Disney parks anymore (all you can really find them at is the Tokyo parks, which are not even owned by Disney; they're just owned by a company paying for the rights for Disney stuff). They just need to come back and they've been in limbo for too long now.

And also, "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" wasn't only amusing but thought-provoking and allegorical... Our sequel will contain none of those qualities if it's released by Disney and not Touchstone. Disney won't care about the art that was in the original film. They'll just want to make a "wacky adventure with special FX for the kiddies".

My guess is that Disney seems to think that its fare is for KIDS ONLY and no one else. But that's just my guess based on what I've heard.

So we need to rethink this being through Disney and not Touchstone. Besides, now that I think about it, it would seem a bit awkward to release a sequel for a Touchstone film through another studio name, don't you think?

[Big Disney Fan]

Where is everybody?!?:icon_cry:

[mickeymania1]

Don't cry I'm still here. I'm just getting ready for the first day of school tomorrow. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Anyways you can start up the project again with your ideas & I'll post something when it hits me. NOT LITERALLY, THOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Big Disney Fan]

Don't cry I'm still here. I'm just getting ready for the first day of school tomorrow. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Anyways you can start up the project again with your ideas & I'll post something when it hits me. NOT LITERALLY, THOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, it's just that this thread was getting a little long in the tooth where it was presently, so I figured I had to get attention here before too much time elapsed and this thread lost momentum.

Anyway, I think Eddie Valiant should stay. Maybe Fung Kwee could be his new partner, possibly a potential replacement for his now-deceased brother Teddy. In fact, Fung could potentially outdo Teddy with his martial arts.

Oh, and I hate to break this to you, but this film needs to be released through Touchstone, partly since the first movie was released in the same way. It would be kind of awkward to release a sequel to a movie through one banner when the original movie was released through another.

And how could R.K. Maroon, Jr. be the bad guy?

[mickeymania1]

Eddie would be retired by then. He was like 43 in the original & I also wanna give him a new actor to start a new chapter & not relay too much on it's predescesor.
And I have no prob moving it to Touchstone but I thought you agreed on R.K. Maroon, Jr. being the bad guy. YOU SAID IN EARLIER PLACES YOU WANTED IT!

[Big Disney Fan]

And I have no prob moving it to Touchstone but I thought you agreed on R.K. Maroon, Jr. being the bad guy. YOU SAID IN EARLIER PLACES YOU WANTED IT!

Well, I've thought about that. And the thing is, how can he be the bad guy, especially if he's the new head of Maroon Cartoons? In fact, ever since I agreed, I've thought how would that work. Maybe you can explain?

[Big Disney Fan]

I've thought about a female character, who would be to this movie what Joanna Cassidy's character Dolores was to the first one. I haven't come up with a name yet, but she is supposedly Fung Kwee's girlfriend and I think she could be played by Tia Carrere. What do you think of that idea?

And how can R.K. Maroon Jr. be the bad guy here? You never did answer that question.

[mickeymania1]

I love Tia Carrere I'd love to see her as, Mei Lin.

And R.K. Maroon, Jr. never got a chance to be a big time Hollywood director so he instead inherited his father's studio only to realize he was nothing compared to his dead dad. So he formed an alliance with teh Toon Patrol in order to run the state.

[Big Disney Fan]

And R.K. Maroon, Jr. never got a chance to be a big time Hollywood director so he instead inherited his father's studio only to realize he was nothing compared to his dead dad. So he formed an alliance with teh Toon Patrol in order to run the state.

So he's suffering from an inferiority complex, huh? What do you mean by "run the state"? Do you mean he's trying to become governor of the whole California?

[mickeymania1]

Yup. Fo sho!

[Big Disney Fan]

And what would happen if he were to become governor?

[mickeymania1]

He's control it's citizens to support Maroon Cartoons or use his new weapon, "Human Dip."

[Big Disney Fan]

He's control it's citizens to support Maroon Cartoons or use his new weapon, "Human Dip."

But what about the Toons? What would happen to them?

[mickeymania1]

He'd still control the toons & make them become eternal slaves to him.

[Big Disney Fan]

He'd still control the toons & make them become eternal slaves to him.

Are you talking about ALL Toons, even those not from Maroon, or just the Maroon ones?

Also, how would human dip work? I understand how the dip against Toons works, but what of human dip?

[mickeymania1]

To answer the questions:

#1: yes. All toons even ones unknown in North America.

#2: It's like toon dip but it just smells more like chicken. (That's a joke used in the movie.)

[Big Disney Fan]

#2: It's like toon dip but it just smells more like chicken. (That's a joke used in the movie.)

But how would humans be affected by turpentine or acetone or benzene, the ingredients for anti-Toon dip?

And in regards to the Toons-as-slaves, how would R.K. make them his slaves?

[Big Disney Fan]

Hey, maybe R.K., Jr., could be depicted as a very Communist person. Our movie is set in the 1950s, so it would make perfect, historical sense, don't you think?

But how would humans be affected by turpentine or acetone or benzene, the ingredients for anti-Toon dip?

And in regards to the Toons-as-slaves, how would R.K. make them his slaves? You never did answer those questions.

[mickeymania1]

He'd create a law for toons to work as slaves to R.K. until the day that the toons died.

[Big Disney Fan]

Well, then, maybe Kwee could try to stop R.K. and the weasels from going to Sacramento to carry out such an order. R.K. could try to make Toontown a Communist community. I've seen this in a cartoon once. It's called "Make Mine Freedom". It was released through MGM, produced by Harding College in 1948. In the words of the Internet Movie Database:

"Make Mine Freedom" is essentially an explanation of capitalism and a criticism of the Soviet Union. After about two minutes of general talk on freedom, the film develops a storyline in which four men representing labor, management, politicians, and farmers argue and a snake-oil salesman steps in, peddling bottles of "ism" (communism) and claiming it will cure everyone's ills. A nearby man, who has been resting on a park bench, comes up and deflates the salesman's pitch. He first highlights the benefits of capitalism through a fictionalized version of the creation of the automobile. He then tells what life would be like under "ism": oppressive and poor. The film ends with the five red-blooded Americans marching in a band superimposed over an image of the Lincoln Memorial.

The piece is a curious example of Cold War attitudes towards economy, communism, and the American Dream. It's entertaining, but it's unlikely it will change any communist minds, whether in our present or the present of 1948.

So I think R.K., Jr., would have a very "red" mind and want to make Toontown a communist community, where the Toons have absolutely no say in what happens in their town anymore. What do you think of that idea? Given the time the movie is set in, it would make perfect sense to include communism in this movie. In fact, never mind just Toontown, how about making his plans be for him to make Southern California and all cities therein, especially Toontown, a communist state. Man, R.K. Jr. IS evil, isn't he? I like it that way, though. He could be viewed as so evil that he makes Judge Doom look like a contributing member of society.

[mickeymania1]

Yeah I love it!

[Big Disney Fan]

How would human dip work? I don't think it would do much damage against humans like it does to Toons.

[mickeymania1]

It"s Exactly The Same As Dip! It Kills Them! Lol!

[Big Disney Fan]

It"s Exactly The Same As Dip! It Kills Them! Lol!

But HOW would it kill them? I would think it's only fatal against humans if they inhale it or drink it or get it into their bodies somehow, not from simply touching it, as is the case with Toons. It may cause burns on their bodies if they touch it, but it would not be enough to destroy humans like it is for Toons.

[mickeymania1]

Yeah they are froced to drink it which kills them.

[Big Disney Fan]

Yeah they are froced to drink it which kills them.

Well, then how would they be forced to?

And I was thinking of having another scene inside Toontown itself, like in the first movie. But instead of being in a Tex Avery style (like it was in the first movie), how about having this movie's Toontown have more of a wilder Chuck Jones style?

[mickeymania1]

Yeah. I'd also like a cameo from Lena Hyena from the first movie. Y'know that cartoon that chases Eddie all over Toontown.

[Big Disney Fan]

I like the idea of another appearance by Lena Hyena? What would happen with her?

And how would humans be forced to drink human dip that kills them?

[mickeymania1]

She'd be right at the end of the movie when the weasels somehow go back to jail & she wants to make out with Smart A**.

The humans would be tied to racks where they are tied down & a weasel woul tickle them to open their mouthes & the dip would fall right into the human's mouth.

[Big Disney Fan]

Hey, I just thought of something else. What if the weasels made their prisoners answer them bad jokes and then said prisoners laugh. And then at one point, the weasels get fought by Kwee. Here's a bit of a line they could do:

WEASEL: (to a captive) Hey, pinhead, do you know how to make antifreeze?
KWEE: (charging in) Yeah, hide her nightgown!! (He punches the weasel in the face with a Toon boxing glove)

[mickeymania1]

I Love it! A lot better than my idea!
I also want to do some scenes making fun of Chinese kung-fu movies (like the words don't match the mouthes.)
Jet Li could make fun of himself in that role.
I also want a scene that makes fun of Casablanca where Roger says good-bye to Kwee as he boards a plane.

[Big Disney Fan]

I Love it! A lot better than my idea!

That above line I mentioned was actually first spoken by Bugs Bunny to Elmer Fudd in "What's Up, Doc?" as part of the vaudeville act scene.

I also want a scene that makes fun of Casablanca where Roger says good-bye to Kwee as he boards a plane.

How about having Roger go with Kwee and Roger says said good-bye to Jessica? Maybe the plane could take them after R.K.'s entourage.

[mickeymania1]

Naw, I want it with Kwee. It would be funnier.

[Big Disney Fan]

Naw, I want it with Kwee. It would be funnier.

Well, I still like my idea, too. All right, I propose a compromise: why don't we have Kwee do it as you want it, but also have Jessica there, too. But then, as the plane takes off, Roger (in Benny) takes off after it and gets aboard as a stowaway.

[Big Disney Fan]

Hey, I was just thinking: what if we incorporated some stuff from the original Roger Rabbit novel ("Who Censored Roger Rabbit") into our movie as well? The only trouble is, I've never read the original book and would have no idea where to find it, except maybe at Amazon and even then it's difficult. The closest I could get to were: A) an article about the novel on Wikipedia (where else?): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Censored_Roger_Rabbit%3F; B) a shortened walkthrough of the story from "Mouse Under Glass" by David Koenig. It goes something like this (but it really doesn't go into too much detail):

Science fiction/fantasy writer Gary Wolf's 1981 mystery novel Who Censored Roger Rabbit? presents a 1940s Los Angeles where humans uneasily live side-by-side with 'toons. One day, Roger Rabbit, the stooge in Baby Herman's comic strip, begs hard-boiled private eye Eddie Valiant to take his case. Another syndicate has been trying unsuccessfully to buy Roger's contract from the DeGreasy brothers, Rocco and Dominick. The rabbit wants to know who wants to buy and why the DeGreasys won't sell. Eddie hates 'toons, but needs the money.

Rocco is soon murdered and, since he was living with Roger's estranged wife, Jessica, the rabbit becomes the prime suspect. Unfortunately, about an hour later, Roger is found dead. 'Toons, however, have the ability to conjure up "doppelg?ngers," temporary, mentally protected doubles that do their most dangerous stunts, like getting run over by a bulldozer or smashed by a safe. And just before he died, Roger created a doppel, who (before he disintegrates) wants Eddie to let him help find the murderer.

Their list of suspects includes Jessica Rabbit, Roger's aforementioned divorced wife, a sexy humanoid 'toon who models for car and liquor ads and more than anything wants Roger's missing teakettle; Rocco's son, Little Rock, a comics art gallery proprietor who thinks Jessica is really in love with him; Carol Masters, Roger's photographer and an outspoken advocate of 'toon rights; and Sid Sleaze, an X-rated comics publisher who gave Jessica her first big exposure.

It turns out everyone, even Roger, has his own nasty secret. Eddie, slowly growing fond of his gradually crumbling partner, solves the mysteries of the nondescript teakettle, the humans who used to be 'toons, and who murdered Roger and Rocco.

Now that above quote mentions L.A. being set in the '40s, like the movie. But the Wiki article claims it's set in the then-modern era. What do you think there?

[mickeymania1]

Pretty weird.
But I like the whole article. Anyways, I think we should start the movie off in China before we take the whole toon cartoon intro.
We'd show a ceremony in Eastern China where they prove a Chinese villager is true enough to become a true kung-fu master. The man who is hopefully deemed worthy is Kwee's grandfather, Mung-Huong.

[Big Disney Fan]

Pretty weird.
But I like the whole article. Anyways, I think we should start the movie off in China before we take the whole toon cartoon intro.
We'd show a ceremony in Eastern China where they prove a Chinese villager is true enough to become a true kung-fu master. The man who is hopefully deemed worthy is Kwee's grandfather, Mung-Huong.

Interesting. And what happens during this time? And how do we segue from this scene to the cartoon intro?

[mickeymania1]

The villager must prove he is bold by doing many tasks & after this, we pan to a shot of a Chinese dog statue that turns into Norty the Dog.

[Big Disney Fan]

The villager must prove he is bold by doing many tasks & after this, we pan to a shot of a Chinese dog statue that turns into Norty the Dog.

But what of the opening cartoon title card sequence?

[mickeymania1]

I just said. After we see the ceremony we see a dog statue that turns into Norty which starts the opening sequence.

[Big Disney Fan]

I just said. After we see the ceremony we see a dog statue that turns into Norty which starts the opening sequence.

No, I mean the title sequence involving the opening cartoon music and the title cards, too. You know, the usual Maroon Cartoon theme music.