How would you improve the Disneyland Resort?

[Big Disney Fan]

This is the first in a series of "improving Disney parks" threads, starting with the Disneyland Resort in California! If you have your own ideas to improve the parks, feel free to add to 'em!

Here are my updates (the first post will focus only on Disneyland):

DISNEYLAND
MAIN STREET U.S.A.
1. An Adventure In the Magic Kingdom: This is a new theater show at the Opera House, to play before "Mr. Lincoln". It will be a veritable montage of clips of all Disney parks worldwide, with Tinker Bell as your hostess!
2. Main Street Cinema: With the exception of Steamboat Willie, all the other screens showing Disney cartoons will be replaced by continuous showings of old theatrical trailers from Disney movies.

FANTASYLAND
1. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs: Snow White's Scary Adventures will receive a significant revision, to focus less on the Queen/Witch and more on Snow White.
2. Peter Pan's Flight: Nothing majorly different except to make the figures move more fluidly and to replace the old two-seater ships with four-seaters.
3. Mad Tea Party: A canopy roof will be added to protect the ride from the elements.
4. It's a Small World: Nothing in the ride itself will be changed, but to allow for inclement weather, the canal outside the building will be covered in big long canopy roofs, a la Disneyland Paris.
5. Alice In Wonderland: Half the Caterpillar cars will be scrapped and replaced by bigger-capacity Cheshire Cat cars. His eyes and grin glow in the dark, so that when you pass by another such car, you can see them glow.

ADVENTURELAND
1. The Flying Carpets of Aladdin: This is a brand-new attraction, a direct lift of Florida's Carpet ride, where you board one of 16 flying carpets for a quick flight around Adventureland.

CRITTER COUNTRY
1. Splash Mountain: Again, the ride will be subtlely but significantly updated. More on that later...;)
2. The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh: To up the capacity of the attraction, I will revise the entryway to not be so secluded. Maybe I'll create big statues of the Pooh characters, pointing the way. The queue and load area will be completely indoors and look like the queue in Tokyo's Pooh ride. And the ride itself will receive a big update, too: the characters figures themselves will remain but the scenery will be revised to go from simple flats to actual 3D scenery, a la Tokyo's Pooh ride. In the end, the ride will certainly not be an exact duplicate of Tokyo's Pooh ride (it will be physically impossible for that), but neither will it be simply flat scenes.

MICKEY'S TOONTOWN
The entire land will be updated and expanded. More on that later.;)

TOMORROWLAND
1. Astro Orbiter: The rockets will be relocated to their proper position at the end of Tomorrowland's main drag and placed on top of the platform above the load area of the "new" Tomorrowland Transit Authority.
2. The Incredibles: Escape Nomanisan!: Replacing Innoventions is this impressive new dark ride. Here, you meet Mr. Incredible and his family and try to help them in the battle to do two things: escape from the titular island and save the world from the threat of the villainous Syndrome!
3. Star Tours: With all the rumors of the Endor trip being replaced by other planets, I've been thinking of how to do this win-win style. I like the idea of keeping things fresh here, but I was thinking that with four simulators here, why not have four different trips at once, one trip per simulator, with a trip to a different planet on each one? This way the situation is win-win. In this case, I'm thinking of having a trip to Endor be on the first one, only to wind up at the Death Star (in other words, it's the same ride as always). The second simulator has a trip to Tatooine, where you witness a Pod Race. The third simulator goes to Hoth (the ice planet from Episode V). And the fourth flight is to Naboo.
4. Tomorrowland Transit Authority: The PeopleMover is back in the guise of this new elevated trip around Tomorrowland. As a nod to history, the ride will be hosted by Tom Morrow (voiced by Nathan Lane) and the cars will be called Viewliners, named after the predecessors of the Monorail.
5. Tron 4D: Replacing Honey, I Shrunk the Audience is this brand-new immersive 4D experience, based on the 1982 Disney film, Tron. Enter the realm of the computer and join Tron as you help him battle against the wrath of the Master Control Program!

I will go into greater detail on the attraction improvements at a later date.

[inherprime]

We got the Subs :nemo: back now lets get those Peoplemovers back again ;) & Great Moments with Lincoln back.

[sciaticus]

this is just a suggestion for the imagineering department at disney. you should create a simlar technology to Star tours but on a much smaller scale that would enable the riders to select their own ride, theme, and not just a flight simulator but a water one or walking through the forest and you answer questions along the way and you recieve points. but the ride should be built for only 2 people at a time. i have looked into this and it seems like it would tons of fun for everyone. it would be si mlar to the scene you see in the movie disclosure with michael douglas and Demi moore
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[Big Disney Fan]

Now, the next part of the improvement scheme: Disney's California Adventure.

1. Back To Neverland: The old show on the process of animation, hosted by Robin Williams and Walter Cronkite, will return to coincide with the return of 2D animation.
2. The Great Muppet Movie Ride: Yes, at long last, the Muppet-based parody of the Great Movie Ride is finally coming into being! The movies parodied, according to an article by Jim Hill (see this link here to see said article), will include, but are definitely not limited to:


Frankenstein (1931): With Kermit and Miss Piggy as the heroes, Dr. Bunsen Honeydew as the mad scientist and Beaker as the giant monster.
Star Trek: The Motion Picture (1979): A movie version of the "Pigs In Space" skit. The movie here is called "Swine Trek". Here, the crew of the USS Swinetrek is battling space pi-rats.
Peter Pan (1953): With Kermit as Pan, Janice (of the Muppets' house band, Dr. Teeth and the Electric Mayhem) as Wendy, Scooter as John, Fozzie as Michael and Miss Piggy as Tinkerbell.


There are all kind of punny touches every which way you look, plus a running gag in the form of Waldorf and Statler riding around in a golf cart. This will be a great ride for all.
3. Mickey's PhilharMagic: The WDW show will come to California through the Hollywood Pictures Backlot, replacing Muppet*Vision 3D.
4. Voyages of the Little Mermaid: At long last, a dark ride based on The Little Mermaid finally comes to life! It will look exactly like the ride seen on the PE DVD. It will be placed at Paradise Pier, possibly replacing Mulholland Madness.

What do you think of these ideas?

[Brer_Rabbit]

^ I would love to see Mickey's PhillharMagic at DCA!! I live in SoCal, so Florida and that's a pretty big trip.. my parents took me when I was like... 6 or 7 so I don't know if I saw it or not. I really want to go back to see all the Florida things but that's a pretty pricey trip.. srry off topic.

Voyages of the Little Mermaid would be GREAT!! That would fit very well I think, Mulholland Madness is a SUPER fun ride, but they could get rid of it for a dark ride.. or maybe move it back or something

[Big Disney Fan]

I have created a list of updates for Disneyland's Splash Mountain. Before I mention them, though, I'm trying to keep them inside the existing track without changing things too much physically:

1. The ride's soundtrack will be revised thus: the music on the outside as you cruise the outside of the mountain is in the country-western style, but will change to the orchestra style as you enter the mountain.

2. As you go up the first lift hill, you pass by Brer Frog giving you some parting words, just like he does in FL and Japan. He says things like, "Some folks 'round here say Brer Rabbit's lookin' for adventure, but I say he's headin' for trouble," "Mark my words, that young Brer Rabbit scamp is gonna put his foot in Brer Fox's mouth one o' these days," and "If you ask me, sooner than later, that Brer Fox and Brer Bear's gonna catch that Brer Rabbit for sure."

3. As you pass along beside the big drop, you will hear an Uncle Remus-style narration beginning to tell you the story: "Welcome to a joyful adventure down into the Briar Patch." It's at this point that the orchestral music takes over.

4. Before going down the first drop, you hear Brer Fox saying from his home (a sign points to the location), "That big ol' rabbit won't get away this time. I'll catch him sure!"

5. Passing by Brer Rabbit and Brer Turtle outside the Briar Patch, you pass by Brer Fox and Brer Bear looking at them across the water. Brer Fox says something like, "So Brer Rabbit's lookin' for some adventure, eh?" and "Alright, Brer Bear, this time we're gonna catch that Brer Rabbit for sure." The reason why Brer Fox says "...this time..." is so to reflect the hasty rabbit trap where we first see the the two rogues.

6. As you pass below Brer Rabbit on the railroad trestle, he says to Brer Fox and Brer Bear, "You boys can't catch me! My Laughing Place is where I'm bound."

7. The hitchhiking alligator has a guitar.

8. As you descend the waterfall into the Laughing Place, you hear the sound of branches breaking as the tree housing the place gives way, followed by Brer Fox and Brer Bear screaming as they supposedly tumble over the falls, followed by a loud splash.

9. Brer Frog and Brer Turtle are now seen in the Laughing Place scene, singing "Everybody's Got a Laughing Place". The frog is seen eating honey from a beehive and laughing while the turtle reclines on a small fountain of water.

10. After you pass by the Burrow's Lament scene and before you pass by the vultures, you see Brer Bear with a red nose (from getting stung by the bees). He says one of three things at random with an evil laugh: "You better be sayin' good-bye to Brer Rabbit," "I shoulda knocked his head clean off," and "He said it was a Laughing Place and I ain't laughin'."

11. As you pass below the vultures and make your way up the hill, you hear Remus narrating, "It sure looks like Brer Rabbit's time had done run out for sure. He done used up his whole bag o' tricks."

12. As you make the wide turn in the river to reenter the mountain, you pass below squirt guns disguised as sapling trees on the bridge. Guests on the bridge over the Splash Mountain river can have the opportunity to try and spray you from up there.

13. Much of the return into the mountain is now covered and protected from the elements.

14. The screen displaying your picture being taken of you going down the plunge is back on again.

15. During this same scene, the Remus-type narrator says, "Well, that Brer Rabbit sure learned his lesson and so did Brer Fox. And it's like I always say: you can't run away from trouble; they're ain't no place that far."

Well, what do you think of my ideas? I'm also going to put the soundtrack alternations, the Remus narration, Brer Frog and Brer Turtle inside the Laughing Place, Brer Brer before the vulture branch and the sapling tree water cannons into the version in Tokyo Disneyland as well. In that case, the narration and dialogue will all be translated into Japanese. What do you think of my ideas? I want to see your ideas and opinions!

[MVP]

sounds good just wish it all could come true

[Big Disney Fan]

Another thing will return to Disneyland: the Electrical Parade! That's right, one of the most beloved Disney parades of all time will return to Disneyland, if I were to improve the park. However, I will improve on the parade, by having dialogue in the parade, not just from Alice and Pete (during the Pete's Dragon sequence), but from almost all the characters, like what happens in the current Tokyo Disneyland version of the parade. So this means the Blue Fairy will speak, so will Mickey, Minnie and Goofy, Cinderella, Peter Pan, Captain Hook, Wendy (I will add her to the Peter Pan scene) and Snow White. What do you think of these ideas?

Here are some other things that I think I will do specifically with the Electrical Parade when it returns to Disneyland...

1. On Casey Jr., the icon/logo on the sides and on the flags off the end of the drum will be replaced by the D in Disneyland like it always has been.
2. On the drum, the words will alternate "... Electrical Parade" and "A Disney Classic".
3. The Queen of Hearts will be added to the Alice scene.
4. Also in the Alice, the spinning creatures will be arranged as follows:

Turtle w/ Glasses
Green Bee

Then the butterfly mushroom...

Snail w/ Red Shell

Then Alice's mushroom

Turtle w/ Hat
Millipede

Then the Caterpillar's mushroom...

Snail w/ Blue/Green Shell
Orange Bee

5. The small pillars around the clock tower in the Cinderella scene will occasionally disappear and reappear like they do at DCA now.
6. Wendy will now be seen on the pirate ship float in the Peter Pan scene.
7. The Dumbo scene will be slightly revised, partly to have the magician no longer look like a clown, which was actually how he looked when the parade went to WDW temporarily. (Here's a picture from that parade to show you what I mean: http://www.disneypix.com/MagicKingdom/MainStreet/MSEP/MSEP07_0101.htm.)
8. The Snow White and Pete's Dragon scenes will look the same as they do in DCA.
9. The To Honor America scene will feature the sounds of fireworks going off.
10. Another tactic used from WDW when the parade went there temporarily will be to have the Disney characters there. In this case, the characters on the left side of the floats will be:

Chip
Donald Duck
Daisy Duck
Winnie the Pooh
Tigger
Three Little Pigs
Big Bad Wolf

And the characters on the right side of the floats will be:

Dale
Pluto
Roger Rabbit
Pinocchio
Geppetto
Jiminy Cricket
Brer Fox
Brer Bear


There's the list of changes. But I'm still having difficulty of what the parade should be specifically named. Here are the two choices:

Disneyland Electrical Parade
Main Street Electrical Parade
Disney's Electrical Parade


Pick which one you like best and I will use it. I myself am leaning towards Disneyland Electrical Parade. That's got a good ring to it, don't you think?

[candystandman]

lovin the ideas man....
you people always impress me....
i dont have the patience to sit an hour in front of a screen typing...
excellent peeps

[Big Disney Fan]

I have created a list of updates for Disneyland's Splash Mountain. Before I mention them, though, I'm trying to keep them inside the existing track without changing things too much physically:

Well, what do you think of my ideas? I'm also going to put the soundtrack alternations, the Remus narration, Brer Frog and Brer Turtle inside the Laughing Place, Brer Brer before the vulture branch and the sapling tree water cannons into the version in Tokyo Disneyland as well. In that case, the narration and dialogue will all be translated into Japanese. What do you think of my ideas? I want to see your ideas and opinions!

Oh, and everything thought in this thread here on SM improvements will be included, too. Click here: http://www.visionsfantastic.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15151.

[Big Disney Fan]

I've been thinking about how Toontown at Disneyland has not been what it used to be. A lot of the things are a mere shell of their formal selves, especially Goofy's Bounce House, Donald's Boat and Chip 'n' Dale's Treehouse. And no more Jolly Trolley.

I think one of its many disadvantages is that much of it was built specifically for youngsters (save for Mickey and Minnie's Houses and the Car Toon Spin, which are built for everyone). So one of my plans is to fix some, if not all, the attractions up to be more accessible to other people besides just kids. Another disadvantage is that there's a dead end at the far end of the area. A great way to alleviate such a problem is to expand this area of Toontown to the Big Thunder Ranch area of the park to create a second entrance to the land. Here's a map that explains. Just click here to see (http://www.disneypix.com/Multimedia/Satellite/DisneylandResort_Quarter.jpg).

If you can imagine the land being expanded left and then down into Frontierland, then you should have an idea of what I plan to do.

And now, here are the attractions of the new, improved Mickey's Toontown!


Chip 'n' Dale's Treehouse
Goofy's Airport
Goofy's KinderGarden
Toontown Transit Authority
Mickey's House
Minnie's House
Roger Rabbit's Car Toon Spin
Toon Park
Tugboat Donald
Von Drake's House of Genius


What did you think? I'll explain more in greater detail later.

[Big Disney Fan]

If you can imagine the land being expanded left and then down into Frontierland, then you should have an idea of what I plan to do.

And now, here are the attractions of the new, improved Mickey's Toontown!


Chip 'n' Dale's Treehouse
Goofy's Airport
Goofy's KinderGarden
Toontown Transit Authority
Mickey's House
Minnie's House
Roger Rabbit's Car Toon Spin
Toon Park
Tugboat Donald
Von Drake's House of Genius


What did you think? I'll explain more in greater detail later.

Before I mention anything, I'm going to make one thing clear: Mickey and Minnie's Houses and the Car Toon Spin, plus the Downtown and Town Square areas will all be unaltered.

Anyway, here's the description of the new Chip 'n' Dale's Treehouse! It will be very different and much better than the current Treehouse. It will no longer be a simple climb-thru attraction; now it will be an Orange Stinger-style swing ride with acorns as the seats. The swing structure will be in the form of a big tree with Chip 'n' Dale atop. People young and old can soar above the ground on high-flying swings designed like acorns. And the other thing here is that it will be themed to the cartoons we know the chipmunks for, instead of to Chip 'n' Dale Rescue Rangers. I'm sure some of us are familiar with that show, but more people are familiar with the cartoons.

Another attraction will be the crown jewel of the new Toontown makeover: Goofy's Airport! Gone will be Gadget's Go Coaster (it will be completely demolished), replaced by this new family coaster. It's a family coaster so that grownups as well as kids can ride, too, with or without children. The old Goofy's Bounce House will also be scrapped, but some of its scenery will be reused to house a similarly-themed house, used as the queue area. The queue will feature a few interactive gags, like sound crates. The ride itself will feature airplanes that are red in color (like the glider plane in one early Goofy short).

The ride begins with a lift hill designed like a crude runway. Much of the ride will take place over a new Toon Lake where another attraction Tugboat Donald will take place, too. The peak of the hill provides a good view of Toontown from up there. After you go down the hill, you zip around turns and up and down hills with the propellors of the plane cars spinning. Since your flying around above a lake, the ride will be sort of like Carowinds' Super Saturator in that there will be spots during the ride where a fountain may shoot at you or you may even get bombarded by a water bomb. At one point, the planes smash through the tallest tower of Goofy's new house, sort of like what happens in the old Barnstormer attraction at WDW. As a nod to history, I will include the spitting frogs from GGC.

Well, that's it for now; look for more soon. Until then, what do you think so far?

[DisneyParksFan]

About Disney's California Adventure...

1) I'm not sure if Robin Williams would like to have himself re-appear in a Disney Theme Park again after his dispute with Disney. Then again, I dont know that much about the legal details behind re-introducing the movie.

2) Parody of The Great Movie Ride including the Muppets...I like it. Where would this be place in HPB?

3) I would like to see Mickey's PhilharMagic remain at MK and HKDL, we dont need to copy every attraction and introduce it at all the worldwide Disney Parks. Might I suggest a movie (3-D or not) including Disney characters that has a storyline along the lines of them trying to create a motion picture or something and you are the audience watching it being filmed.
This film would be more suited for HPB since it would be designed for the area (unlike PhilharMagic), and it would include a tie-in to the land unlike most (not all) new attractions these days.

4) What about placing the Little Mermaid attraction near Ariel's Grotto along the edge of the bridge that passes over California Screamin'? It could be placed in the Timon Lot. Having it there would make it much easier with keeping the little mermaid theme more unstandable, instead of having three seperate locations...Current Ariel's Grotto, Current King Triton's Carousel, and your proposed little mermaid dark ride.


~DisneyParksFan

[Big Disney Fan]

Alright, more on Toontown's improvements...

Now, the Jolly Trolley, in my opinion, is a bit of a liability, what with the crowds sometimes overflowing the area. Instead, a cartoon version of an elevated electrical transit ride will be used, a la Tomorrowland Transit Authority. The new Toontown ride will be called the Toontown Transit Authority. It will also be kind of Disney's answer to IOA's High In the Sky Seuss Trolley. It won't just be an elevated look at Toontown, there will be a few sights seen on this ride found ONLY in this ride.

The new kiddie playland area will be called Goofy's KinderGarden. It will have a McDonald's-like play area, albeit themed to Disney and it will feature all the traditions of a traditional children's playground: jungle gym, swings, slides, etc. Of course, the current Toon Park will also be retained.

I will post more about Toontown later on.

[Big Disney Fan]

And here's the last of the significant updates for Toontown...

One of the things coming to Toontown isn't really an attraction, it's a restaurant and the ultimate character dining experience: the House of Mouse! Here, you can dine in the famed supper club from the TV show of the same name. Every 45 minutes or so, a Mickey Mouse Revue-style show plays on the main stage for about ten minutes. Between those times, they play Disney cartoons on the big screen at the head of the place. No, it won't be the custom-made cartoons made especially for the TV show, they will be the classic cartoons we know Disney for (think the old Fantasyland Theater). And every ten minutes, a different Disney character visits a different table for a minimum of two minutes and a maximum of five. The beauty part of this is that the restaurant is an excellent opportunity for character greetings and pictures. Plus, the characters are always random, so you never know who will visit.

The last two new attractions are both themed to ducks. One of them is called Tugboat Donald (so-called because it's a parody title of the cartoon, Tugboat Mickey). This is an attraction on Toon Lake, based on an abandoned ride concept dating back to the 1950s. In the book about Disneyland's 50th anniversary, there is a section all about abandoned ride ideas. One of them is a Donald Duck-themed bumper boat ride. A new 21st century version of that ride will finally come into being, not as a bumper boat ride, but as an Aquatopia-style ride. The queue will be Donald's new house, or should I say, houseboat. There will also be an upper level for extended queue, as I'm quite sure this ride will be very popular. Anyway, the ride is followed thus: the vehicles are small tugboats that take you on a wild ride. Your tugboat will twist, turn, backup, spin around in place, all while taking you on a seemingly random trip dodging jagged rocks, spinning whirlpools, and other tugboats. Also, there are interactive water elements with water blasters for guests people-watching to use. Also, Huey, Dewey and Louie are also waiting to nail you, as are the frogs at the end of Goofy's Airport. Speaking of which, some of the ride goes under the tracks of the new roller coaster. The direction your vehicle travels in is not random, of course, but controlled by unseen technology borrowed from Tokyo's Pooh's Hunny Hunt. The movements of the boats are likely to be a bit unpredictable, but the ride is fun for kids and adults alike.

Now the other duck-themed attraction is called Von Drake's House of Genius. It's a multimedia show hosted by Ludwig Von Drake, featuring Audio-Animatronics and special effects (ALA Epcot's Cranium Command). There are two theaters in which the show (lecture) is presented, each one with Von Drake as host and a specific character is used as his particular "guinea pig". Now, one of the two shows is about health, but it's actually unoriginal: a slightly revised version of the old Wonders of Life show, "Goofy About Health". It will be the exact same show as in Epcot, but with Von Drake narrating and him being used instead of the unnamed doctor in the real show. The other show will be an original one about psychology, with Donald Duck. The post-show features all sorts of interactivities, including an area where you can determine which of the Fab Six you're most like.

Here's the verbal tour of the psychology show at House of Genius, with Luwdig Von Drake and Donald Duck...

Using a stubborn and averagely angry Donald as his guinea pig, Von Drake attempts to get to the root of Donald's signature short temper with his latest invention: a machine that can display Donald's inner thoughts onto a series of screens, making them easier to observe and diagnose. Once formalities are taken care of, the experiment begins. After reviewing episodes from Donald's childhood, relationship with his nephews and girlfriend Daisy and brushes with Pete, Pluto and Chip 'n' Dale (seen through clips of various Donald shorts displayed on the screens), they stumble onto his thoughts about Mickey Mouse himself. Sure he is the better actor of the two, Donald imagines filling Mickey's big yellow shoes in such roles as Steamboat Willie, Fantasia, and The Mickey Mouse Club (including a disgruntled Mickey shouting his name over the "Donald Duck Club" theme song). Von Drake is pleased with the progress they're making, and begins to ask Donald what he thinks of his other friends. Unfortunately, he can't comprehend a word Donald is saying. When he makes this fact known, Donald throws a big fit, accidentally causing Von Drake's invention to blow a major fuse. Then it hits Von Drake: it's Donald's voice! The reason Donald loses his temper so much comes from a subconscious frustration of people not being able to understand him. Certain this advice has cured Donald, he begins to perform a series of tough aggravation tests (including one featuring a not-so subtle reference to "It's a Small World" ;)) with excellent results. It looks like Donald will be cured for sure... that is, until he gets his VERY expensive bill. As the curtain closes, Von Drake says with a chuckle, "Well, I guess you can't win 'em all."

And those are the major updates to Toontown. So, what do you think of these ideas of mine? Seriously, I would like to see a response to my Toontown improvements and what you guys think.

[Big Disney Fan]

Where is everybody?

[Alex_Toto_Disneyland]

LOST! lol BTW Grat Ideas!

[debijeanm]

I'm pretty happy with the way things have been improving over the last three years (maintenance, CM attitudes, a return to the Happiest Place on Earth). Howevr, my 25-year-old son rode Soarin' for the first time last month and he wanted a "Lie flat" option where you could stretch out on a platform of some kind so you would actually feel like you were flying.

[Big Disney Fan]

I'm pretty happy with the way things have been improving over the last three years (maintenance, CM attitudes, a return to the Happiest Place on Earth). Howevr, my 25-year-old son rode Soarin' for the first time last month and he wanted a "Lie flat" option where you could stretch out on a platform of some kind so you would actually feel like you were flying.

Interesting idea you have here, only how would it work physically?

[Big Disney Fan]

Here is a crude, barebones take on the new 3D movie to replace Honey, I Shrunk the Audience. It's called Tron 4D.

You sit traditional 3D show chairs as always, and then something bad happens and shows up on the screen up ahead and then it emerges to menace you. But I'm getting ahead of myself. Here's what happens in the pre-show: Flynn, who created Tron and his world, as well as the video game Space Paranoids, is giving you a tour of his new creation on some TVs. Then, you hear MCP's loud voice bellowing, "Intruders! Intruders!" and the lights go crazy and Flynn yells and the room gets shaking, and then the room plunges into darkness. You hear the sounds of the MCP's guards ordering you to move: "Vacate entry port, programs! I said MOVE!" Now you are indeed trapped in Tron's world. Flynn shows up on a TV screen on the right and says that everything will be okay as long as you stay with Tron. Then after you take your seat in the big theater which is full of electronic sights just like in the movie, Flynn tries to figure out a way to get you out. Meanwhile, Tron continues Flynn's tour on the giant screen as he throws his ID disc at members of the MCP to keep them at bay. Then, the TVs suddenly shut off and the lights go out. Tron vanishes before your eyes on the screen (he's a hologram). Then the lights flicker on and off and the room shakes again. Then you see the MCP appear on the screen yelling, "Intruders! Intruders! Activating program-melting acid!" Of course the "program-melting acid" is only water, and it sprays everywhere, similar to Fozzie Bear's squirting flower. Then all this other stuff happen from up on the screen as the MCP and its right-hand man, Sark, try to kill you: lasers go off, guards try to menace you with their spears, wind blows everywhere, the room won't stop shaking, etc. All the while, the MCP desperately tries to get rid of you, until Tron appears onscreen with a big computer nearby and proceeds to interrupt it. There is a little explosion and the MCP vanishes. But the MCP is not about to let its plans just go to waste; it then transfers its powers to Sark, who towers high above Tron. First, he leans out into the audience and lets out a yell. Then he and Tron do battle while Flynn tries to distract the MCP by jumping into its tower of light. He succeeds. Then Tron hurls his ID disc into the tower and the MCP and Sark with it are destroyed. Then Flynn comes back on the screen and types in something. You exit the main room into the after-show room. Flynn thanks you for coming, and apologizes for what happened. Then you walk through a hallway into, surprise, surprise, a Tron Gift Shop!!
So how do you like it? It's kinda crude, but it's a start. Can you think of how to improve it? Because it's kinda barebones in my opinion.

[Big Disney Fan]

Here's a look at a brand-new film I thought up to go into the theaters at the Town Squares of Disneyland, Walt Disney World, Disneyland Paris and Hong Kong Disneyland. It's called An Adventure In the Magic Kingdom, named after the 1958 Disneyland episode of the same name. It's a whirlwind tour of all the Magic Kingdom-type Disney parks worldwide, hosted by a CGI version of Tinker Bell and narrated by an offscreen narrator.

It begins as it does in the episode, albeit truncated to remove references to television and the context and revised a bit. Here's the script for the introductory scene, beginning in Walt?s office used on the anthology series in the 1950s and 60s, while a soft version of "You Can Fly, You Can Fly, You Can Fly" plays in the background (you can find the link to the sample music here at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIfPIoo14kE).

NARRATOR: And now, your host, Walt Disney!

WALT: Hold on. Wait a minute.

NARRATOR: Yes, Walt?

WALT: There's been a slight change; we're having a hostess for this program.

NARRATOR: Oh, really?

WALT: And since many people find this hostess a bit hard to understand, suppose you take over and do the talking for her.

NARRATOR: But? Walt, I've made plans to go on a whirlwind tour of the Disney parks worldwide.

WALT: I've considered that. Now just be patient and we?ll get you there in a hurry. Let's call our hostess. (He picks up a bell and rings it, but it doesn't make a sound) Don't worry, there's nothing wrong. This is a pixie bell. The sound is much too high for human ears. (A CGI Tinker Bell flies over) Oh, there you are, Tink. (He then looks offscreen) Would you do the honors?

NARRATOR: And now, your hostess, Tinker Bell!

WALT: Tink, our friends in the audience have told me they like the way you introduce our program. (Tink flits around) And they'd like to see you do more, so I've decided? no, no, no, Tink, hold it, hold it. (Tinker Bell stops) You're jumping the gun. Now come over here. (Tink flits over to him) Sit down. (Tink crosses her legs and "sits" in mid-air) Now pay attention. I'm appointing you, as special hostess to take our audience. (Tinker Bell floats above his head and spins, covering Walt with pixie dust, which, of course, causes Walt to fly up) No, no, no, Tink, I'm not flying down. Hey, get that stuff off of me. (Chuckling, he dusts the stuff off himself; he then floats back to earth) If you're familiar with the story of Peter Pan, you know that a little bit of Tinker Bell's fairy dust can make you fly. (Safely on the floor, he looks at Tink) Now, Tink, I want you to be a good hostess. Show them everything. (Tink eagerly zips out the window) Tink! Wait a minute! (She comes back in) Haven't you forgotten something? Aren't you gonna take the audience along? (With that, she waves her wand on the screen and then flies out the window, the camera following?)

Being a Disneyland episode, it was originally aired in black and white, but filmed in color. My question is, should the scene be in black and white or color? Also, what attractions should be used for each Disney park seen in the film? I do know that the parks should be in chronological order. I want some variation, something like what is seen in the movie playing at WDW's Main Street Cinema. Finally, who should be the narrator? Also, when the show is played at Disneyland Paris and Hong Kong Disneyland, the language used for the show will be French and Cantonese, respectively. However, there will be headphones at the back of the theater for English and German translations (Disneyland Paris) and English and Mandarin translations (Hong Kong Disneyland). Anyway, can anyone give me a hand here?

Since they will be shown in the theaters at Town Square, I figured it would be best to show what the marquees would look like. Here's a link to the image of the attraction at Disneyland, to be shown at the Opera House: http://img116.imageshack.us/my.php?image=advmkpd3.jpg

I will put up images of the other three locations soon...

[WDITrent]

This is the first in a series of "improving Disney parks" threads, starting with the Disneyland Resort in California! If you have your own ideas to improve the parks, feel free to add to 'em!

Here are my updates (the first post will focus only on Disneyland):

DISNEYLAND
MAIN STREET U.S.A.
1. An Adventure In the Magic Kingdom: This is a new theater show at the Opera House, to play before "Mr. Lincoln". It will be a veritable montage of clips of all Disney parks worldwide, with Tinker Bell as your hostess!
2. Main Street Cinema: With the exception of Steamboat Willie, all the other screens showing Disney cartoons will be replaced by continuous showings of old theatrical trailers from Disney movies.

FANTASYLAND
1. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs: Snow White's Scary Adventures will receive a significant revision, to focus less on the Queen/Witch and more on Snow White.
2. Peter Pan's Flight: Nothing majorly different except to make the figures move more fluidly and to replace the old two-seater ships with four-seaters.
3. Mad Tea Party: A canopy roof will be added to protect the ride from the elements.
4. It's a Small World: Nothing in the ride itself will be changed, but to allow for inclement weather, the canal outside the building will be covered in big long canopy roofs, a la Disneyland Paris.
5. Alice In Wonderland: Half the Caterpillar cars will be scrapped and replaced by bigger-capacity Cheshire Cat cars. His eyes and grin glow in the dark, so that when you pass by another such car, you can see them glow.

ADVENTURELAND
1. The Flying Carpets of Aladdin: This is a brand-new attraction, a direct lift of Florida's Carpet ride, where you board one of 16 flying carpets for a quick flight around Adventureland.

CRITTER COUNTRY
1. Splash Mountain: Again, the ride will be subtlely but significantly updated. More on that later...;)
2. The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh: To up the capacity of the attraction, I will revise the entryway to not be so secluded. Maybe I'll create big statues of the Pooh characters, pointing the way. The queue and load area will be completely indoors and look like the queue in Tokyo's Pooh ride. And the ride itself will receive a big update, too: the characters figures themselves will remain but the scenery will be revised to go from simple flats to actual 3D scenery, a la Tokyo's Pooh ride. In the end, the ride will certainly not be an exact duplicate of Tokyo's Pooh ride (it will be physically impossible for that), but neither will it be simply flat scenes.

MICKEY'S TOONTOWN
The entire land will be updated and expanded. More on that later.;)

TOMORROWLAND
1. Astro Orbiter: The rockets will be relocated to their proper position at the end of Tomorrowland's main drag and placed on top of the platform above the load area of the "new" Tomorrowland Transit Authority.
2. The Incredibles: Escape Nomanisan!: Replacing Innoventions is this impressive new dark ride. Here, you meet Mr. Incredible and his family and try to help them in the battle to do two things: escape from the titular island and save the world from the threat of the villainous Syndrome!
3. Star Tours: With all the rumors of the Endor trip being replaced by other planets, I've been thinking of how to do this win-win style. I like the idea of keeping things fresh here, but I was thinking that with four simulators here, why not have four different trips at once, one trip per simulator, with a trip to a different planet on each one? This way the situation is win-win. In this case, I'm thinking of having a trip to Endor be on the first one, only to wind up at the Death Star (in other words, it's the same ride as always). The second simulator has a trip to Tatooine, where you witness a Pod Race. The third simulator goes to Hoth (the ice planet from Episode V). And the fourth flight is to Naboo.
4. Tomorrowland Transit Authority: The PeopleMover is back in the guise of this new elevated trip around Tomorrowland. As a nod to history, the ride will be hosted by Tom Morrow (voiced by Nathan Lane) and the cars will be called Viewliners, named after the predecessors of the Monorail.
5. Tron 4D: Replacing Honey, I Shrunk the Audience is this brand-new immersive 4D experience, based on the 1982 Disney film, Tron. Enter the realm of the computer and join Tron as you help him battle against the wrath of the Master Control Program!

I will go into greater detail on the attraction improvements at a later date.

Great ideas! I thought that instead of Honey, I Shrunk the Audience there could be a Meet the Robinsons-themed show.

[disney-fan-forever]

Well I would improve the Disneyland Resort by the following:

DISNEYLAND
1) A Narnia Adventure (http://www.visionsfantastic.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13683) (Fantasyland): On the outside, the facade looks as if you are entering Professor Kirk's country-side home; with all it's large expandance. You enter the main door, and you arrive inside the main lobby. To your left, there are two doors that lead into two distict areas, with two more doors to the right, and two doors right in front, on top of the two way staircase. On the left hand side, there are two exhibits: "Professor Kirk's Library" and "Narnia: A Musical Experience". On the right, there is another exhibit called "A Chilly Makeover" and another door leads you into where the Wardrobe is located, and is actually the entrance to the simulation thrill ride. The doors straight ahead at the end of the lobby, above the staircase is the entrance to a walk-through of Narnia; where you can experience each distinct land. Below is an in-depth look at each exhibit.

2) Walt Disney's International Music Store (Main Street): Just a small, small idea I came up with. How about a little store in Main Street where kids could come, relax, & learn about music. Kids can create their own little instruments, record them playing those instruments, and then they get to buy a CD with their musical selections and what they played.

3) Meet The Robinsons' Meet & Greet Station (Tomorrowland): Just like the name implies.

DISNEY'S CALIFORNIA ADVENTURE PARK
1) MysticWaters (Paradise Pier): Kind of like a Fantasmic! show, just with different movies (more from this decade) and a little about California history!

2) Crushs' Coaster (Hollywood Backlot): A new Finding Nemo themed roller coaster (wild, but with no inversions) in the Millionaire building.

3) Lights, Motors, Action! Extreme Stunt Show (HPB): How about bringing this French and Florida favorite to California, in the Timon (?) parking lot!

[Big Disney Fan]

I'm actually grappling with what I should name the Electrical Parade (it will return to DL in my improvement plans). Should it be Disneyland Electrical Parade, Main Street Electrical Parade or Disney's Electrical Parade?

I myself am leaning towards Disneyland Electrical Parade (has a good ring to it). But maybe you can come up with something? If I went Disneyland Electrical Parade, I will have the drum near the beginning display alternately: "Disneyland Electrical Parade" and "A Disney Classic".

[DisneyParksFan]

I like 'The Disneyland Electrical Parade' over 'Main Street Electrical Parade' since the parade does go through more than just Main Street. But i'm sure ppl would want it to come back as 'Main Street Electrical Parade'.

~DisneyParksFan

[Big Disney Fan]

I like 'The Disneyland Electrical Parade' over 'Main Street Electrical Parade' since the parade does go through more than just Main Street. But i'm sure ppl would want it to come back as 'Main Street Electrical Parade'.

~DisneyParksFan

Well, isn't it called the "Tokyo Disneyland Electrical Parade" at Tokyo Disneyland? Okay, it doesn't go through Main Street there (it's covered and called World Bazaar), but still...

Oh yeah, I just thought of something else, too: for Autopia, I will follow the example of Hong Kong's version and scrap all the gas-powered cars and replace them with electric-powered.

[DisneyParksFan]

Big Disney Fan

Tomorrowland
Tomorrowland Transit Authority: I would either give it the name Peoplemover, based on the original attraction, or The Viewliner, based on the title of the vehicles
Astro Orbiter: I like the idea of moving it back to its original location, hopefully new a new look?
Incredibles: I would wait on that until we see exactly how the future exhibits of Innoventions turn out. remember that universal thing and the arm technology.

Adventureland
Flying Carpets of Aladdin: I just dont know where you could put it, Adventureland is so crowded as it is

Fantasyland
Alice in Wonderland: I like everything about it.
Peter Pan: Good idea, get more people on the ride...like DLP
Mad Tea Party: Either way is fine, it might loose some of its atmosphere with Alice in Wonderland if it receives a cover though

Good ideas



disney-fan-forever

Walt Disney's International Music Store: I like the music idea and being able to put instruments together but I think having people record themselves might make the area be a little crazy at points...unless the details are worked out so that everything runs smoothly.
Lights, Motors, Action! Extreme Stunt Show: Good idea but maybe with a new script and new stage area for the show?

~DisneyParksFan

[disney-fan-forever]

You know what, DisneyParksFan, I was thinking about that (music store). Maybe if they reserved or something? And yeah, LMA would definitly need a new script and stage. Mabey set in a California setting instead of a French village?

[Big Disney Fan]

Here is a verbal tour for the new and improved Snow White ride, which will also be added to Tokyo Disneyland. The ride will first off be renamed Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs and the scariness of the ride will be cut back a bit. Anyway, here's what the ride will be like:

The entrance is in the guise of the Queen's castle as usual. You wend your way through the castle as the queue and you then reach the load area. The Dwarf-named mine cars seat six instead of four. Behind the load area is a big mural, showing Snow White and her friends, both Dwarfs and forest animals alike.

The mural for the ride in both parks will be different between them. Here's what it should look like: http://img248.imageshack.us/my.php?image=muralyn7.jpg. It's actually the same one as in Walt Disney World's version.

As you board the ride vehicle, you hear the Dwarfs providing the safety spiel. Then once aboard your car, it moves through the first scene: the Queen's castle's courtyard, where you pass by the wishing well and Snow White dressed as a scullery maid. She is sitting on a flight of steps where she is singing "I'm Wishing" to a small flock of doves. The Prince on horseback watches from the other side of the track.

Then you turn away from the castle into a dark forest. Here, you see the huntsman and Snow White as he warns her to flee. Then you pass by the usual scene of the scary forest, which is pretty much the same as usual, only MUCH shorter and involving the addition of a log that falls down toward your vehicle, almost hitting you on the head. Plus, the flying bats are much more convincing now. There are also evil eyes everywhere, too.

Leaving the forest, you then go through the Seven Dwarfs' diamond mine, where you see the Seven Dwarfs working, singing "Heigh-Ho". Here's an image to give you an idea what the Dwarfs inside will look like: http://www.disneylandpostcards.com/fldwarfs.jpg. One of the Dwarfs also tries to stop a runaway cart full of diamonds from crashing into your cart. It kind of looks like a cross between both versions from Disneyland, and by both versions, I mean both "pre-83 and post-83". So it's kind of the best of both worlds.

Then you head out of the mine and pass by the Dwarfs heading for the cottage, singing "Heigh-Ho" still. You then enter the cottage, where you see the Dwarfs and Snow White dancing together to the music of "The Silly Song". Here's a picture to give an idea of what the scene should look like: http://www.tokyodisneyresort.co.jp/tdl/images/pg/fantasy/fantasy_atr02_ph1.jpg.

Upon leaving, you pass below a tree with two vultures perched on it and enter the ominous castle of the Queen. Here, you encounter the Queen with her back to you as she turns into the Witch with the same effect as in Florida. You hear her saying, "Magic mirror on the wall..." and then she turns around and you see that she's become the Witch while she finishes her line with, "I am the fairest one of all!"

After this, the dungeon scene that follows is the same as the other rides, but as with the forest scene, it's much shorter; it only shows the jail cell with the skeleton and the Witch at the cauldron brewing the poison apple while the raven looks on.

From there, you head back to the cottage where we see the Witch handing the apple to Snow White. "Have a bite, deary," she says to Snow White inside the window. You then hear Snow White gasping for air and as you pass by a side window, you see a silhouette of Snow White as she faints while the Witch yells with a cackle, "Now I'm fairest in the land!"

Then we hear the Dwarfs saying that they're going to stop the Witch. "Quick!" one yells. "She's up on the cliff! Let's go!" You then go to the usual scene of the mountain cliff where the Dwarfs are on the incline as they stand before the Witch, who yells, "You meddling fools! I'll crush your bones!" You see the usual scene of the Witch attempting to roll a boulder down the hill to crush them, only to meet her own end when a bolt of lightning knocks her off the cliff.

You then go through Florida and France's closing scene, where Snow White and the Prince are on the bridge and the Dwarfs are on the steps of the bridge with the castle in the sunset on the one side of the track, before arriving at the unload area.

So, what do you think?

[Big Disney Fan]

I was also thinking of adding a spot at both parks where there is a theater where you can watch old Disney movie trailers. At Disneyland, that would be at the Main Street Cinema, where they will replace all the Mickey cartoons playing there, save for "Steamboat Willie". Since it's a silent theater, there will be no sound for the trailers, except for the usual ragtime music in the background and "Steamboat Willie"s music.

I was also thinking of taking the Disney Animation bldg at DCA and replace the music montage with a montage of classic trailers from Disney films. Think the pre-show area for the Great Movie Ride, but with only Disney films.

The Little Mermaid
Beauty and the Beast
Fantasia
Atlantis: The Lost Empire
Bambi
Aladdin
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
Pinocchio
Hercules
The Jungle Book
Dumbo
Mulan
Lilo and Stitch
Lion King
Alice In Wonderland
Peter Pan
Toy Story
Fantasia 2000
Sleeping Beauty
Finding Nemo
The Emperor's New Groove
Cinderella
Chicken Little


That's the full list there. I think I will also thrown in some Disney cartoon shorts, too, just to break the trailers up.

[Big Disney Fan]

I've been thinking about how Toontown at Disneyland has not been what it used to be. A lot of the things are a mere shell of their formal selves, especially Goofy's Bounce House, Donald's Boat and Chip 'n' Dale's Treehouse. And no more Jolly Trolley.

I think one of its many disadvantages is that much of it was built specifically for youngsters (save for Mickey and Minnie's Houses and the Car Toon Spin, which are built for everyone). So one of my plans is to fix some, if not all, the attractions up to be more accessible to other people besides just kids. Another disadvantage is that there's a dead end at the far end of the area. A great way to alleviate such a problem is to expand this area of Toontown to the Big Thunder Ranch area of the park to create a second entrance to the land. Here's a map that explains. Just click here to see (http://www.disneypix.com/Multimedia/Satellite/DisneylandResort_Quarter.jpg).

If you can imagine the land being expanded left and then down into Frontierland, then you should have an idea of what I plan to do.

And now, here are the attractions of the new, improved Mickey's Toontown!


Chip 'n' Dale's Treehouse
Goofy's Airport
Goofy's KinderGarden
Toontown Transit Authority
Mickey's House
Minnie's House
Roger Rabbit's Car Toon Spin
Toon Park
Tugboat Donald
Von Drake's House of Genius


What did you think? I'll explain more in greater detail later.

In addition, here's my idea of how to update the Toontown BGM and have it be comprised of (new titles are in Bold text):


The Grasshopper and the Ants
The Barn Dance
Puppy Love
Three Little Pigs
The Simple Things
Casey At the Bat
Camping Out
The Wise Little Hen
Little Toot
Donald Duck Theme
The Pied Piper
Two Chips and a Miss
Goofy's Theme
The Story of Anyburg, USA
The Skeleton Dance
Minnie's Yoo-Hoo
Springtime
The Tortoise and the Hare
Pluto's Theme
Maroon Cartoons Theme
Smile, Darn Ya, Smile!
Thru the Mirror
Steamboat Willie
Three Blind Mouseketeers
Pluto's Blue Note
The Army's Not the Army Anymore
Father Noah's Ark
The Goddess of Spring
The Cookie Carnival
Peculiar Penguins
Crazy Over Daisy
Figaro and Cleo


Seriously, what do you think? Since there are so many in the list, we could pick and choose them for each and every day.

I would like to get a few more responses to my threads here, please!

[DisneyParksFan]

^
I dont understand what anything is supposed to be...

~DPF

[Big Disney Fan]

^
I dont understand what anything is supposed to be...

~DPF

Apparently, you've jumped in a little late in the game. Well, this whole thread is about what one would do if they were given the opportunity to improve the Disneyland Resort. For example, the last post of mine is partly how I would DRASTICALLY improve Toontown. I actually like that area of the park. But I do agree that it's kinda weak in terms of attraction selections. That's why, a few posts ago, I had not only created a list of new attractions to be added to that area, but also went into some good detail on them.

One more time, this thread is on what you would do if you could improve the Disneyland Resort. Now do you understand?

[DisneyParksFan]

I understand what the threads are about, what I dont understand is what do the titles mean. I know they are additions to your new area, but are they attractions, shops, restaurants, props, scenery?

[Big Disney Fan]

I understand what the threads are about, what I dont understand is what do the titles mean. I know they are additions to your new area, but are they attractions, shops, restaurants, props, scenery?

Attractions, mostly. Maybe after I go through the attractions, then maybe I will do restaurants and shops. And that goes for ALL resort improvement threads I've made.

EDIT: Basically, the threads are on how would you improve the resorts if you could. And it doesn't have to be limited only to attractions, it can be anything you like, whether it's attractions, live entertainment, eateries, shopping or even scenery. Just let loose and have fun.

BTW, one of my ideas for live entertainment, for example, is the return of an old tried-n-true favorite that plays at night and features an unforgettable soundtrack...

[Lighttech1]

"this is just a suggestion for the imagineering department at disney. you should create a simlar technology to Star tours but on a much smaller scale that would enable the riders to select their own ride, theme, and not just a flight simulator but a water one or walking through the forest and you answer questions along the way and you recieve points. but the ride should be built for only 2 people at a time. i have looked into this and it seems like it would tons of fun for everyone. it would be si mlar to the scene you see in the movie disclosure with michael douglas and Demi moore
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Only thing wrong with that would be the guests per hour ratio. There have to be a number of these to allow the number of guests per hour quota to be filled. Disney has set standards in how many guests an hour should ride the attraction to keep the line moving.

[Big Disney Fan]

I know that the Electrical Parade floats of Small World and Return To Oz were sadly destroyed in a backstage fire, but what about the old Briny Deep scene?

[Big Disney Fan]

In regards to bringing back the Electrical Parade (the link for my idea is right here: http://www.visionsfantastic.com/forum/showpost.php?p=197392&postcount=8, I was considering maybe restoring the old Briny Deep scene. But in this case, it gets revised and themed not to Pinocchio or even just the Briny Deep, but rather, after we revise the floats, features and music, it will be themed to The Little Mermaid. Here, we revise the floats for that scene and maybe replace the whale float with one of a giant Ursula. And where Pinocchio sat in this scene, that's where Ariel will sit, accompanied by Flounder and Sebastian. Here's a shot of Pinocchio from the Briny Deep scene of the parade:

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/8030/brinydeepmh9.jpg

Now, if you can imagine Ariel sitting up there instead of Pinocchio (think Spectromagic), then you've basically gotten part of the Little Mermaid scene in mind.

And as for the music, well, I was thinking of retaining the bubble sounds from the old Briny Deep music. Here's the music I'm proposing we use:


Baroque Hoedown
A Bit Bubbly
Under the Sea
Part of Your World


What do you think of adding a scene themed to The Little Mermaid to the Electrical Parade? We can even reuse part of an older, existing scene to make it work. Anyway, what do you think?

[monkey4057]

Here's how I would personally improve DL.

1.Revert JC back to pre-2005
2. " both POTCs (DL's and WDW's) back to pre-2006
3.Discontinue using blasts of air in the parks
4.Make SM less wet
5.Revert "Pirate's Lair" back to TSI*
6.Lessen the sounds of the cannon blasts on Columbia
7.Reopen Disney Gallery
8.Bring back pre-2007 narration on Mark Twain
9.Improve narration system in HM-walkthrough portion**

*The area where you bring up treasure can stay minus the bone cage

**The stretch rooms pre-stretch narration is only played in said room, making the theme bad for guests who walk in late. Also, guests may walk out of the portrait hall before that room's narration is finished. Plus in HMH, guests may not hear the beginning of the portrait hall narration because music is played after Jack. My idea to fix this is to play the pre-stretch narration in the foyer as well and maybe make the portrait hall path a bit of a switchback.

[Lighttech1]

Here's how I would personally improve DL.

1.Revert JC back to pre-2005
2. " both POTCs (DL's and WDW's) back to pre-2006
3.Discontinue using blasts of air in the parks
4.Make SM less wet
5.Revert "Pirate's Lair" back to TSI*
6.Lessen the sounds of the cannon blasts on Columbia
7.Reopen Disney Gallery
8.Bring back pre-2007 narration on Mark Twain
9.Improve narration system in HM-walkthrough portion**

*The area where you bring up treasure can stay minus the bone cage

**The stretch rooms pre-stretch narration is only played in said room, making the theme bad for guests who walk in late. Also, guests may walk out of the portrait hall before that room's narration is finished. Plus in HMH, guests may not hear the beginning of the portrait hall narration because music is played after Jack. My idea to fix this is to play the pre-stretch narration in the foyer as well and maybe make the portrait hall path a bit of a switchback.

They wont bring back the old narrartion on the Mark Twain seeing how it had the burning cabin section in it. Which the burning cabin doesnt work anymore. So thats why it was changed and updated to also includes Pirates Lair. Ok now what part of the enhancements of POTC do you want reverted back. THe upgraded lighting, newer special effects systems, or the added AAs from the movie. The sounds of the cannons on the columbia arent form speakers. Its pyro in the cannons. So you would want the charge and shell to be smaller. There is no way to make SM less wet. Its designed to make you get wet. And what blasts of air in the parks are you talking about.

[monkey4057]

OK, the previous few times before my most recent trip on Mark Twain (and on RU's video) there is no comment on the burning cabin. For POTC, the changes that happen from the "Gravy Gnomes" effect to the last Jack Sparrow. This includes the blasts of air on the Wicked Wench (actually the main reason I don't do it anymore), especially in MK cause I've never been on their's. I knew the cannon blasts weren't from speakers and I can accept the Splash Fact (but Big Disney Fan made some ideas that couldn't be done). Here are some examples of blasts of air. On IJA, in the dart room, air is shot out of little holes to simulate darts. In Philharmagic, air is shot out of cannon things (I think) to simulate champagne bursting and a burst of magic. For an example, blow on your hand. Now imagine the effect on your whole body. Hopefully this should answer your question.

[Big Disney Fan]

Here's how I would personally improve DL.

1.Revert JC back to pre-2005
2. " both POTCs (DL's and WDW's) back to pre-2006
3.Discontinue using blasts of air in the parks
4.Make SM less wet
5.Revert "Pirate's Lair" back to TSI*
6.Lessen the sounds of the cannon blasts on Columbia
7.Reopen Disney Gallery
8.Bring back pre-2007 narration on Mark Twain
9.Improve narration system in HM-walkthrough portion**

*The area where you bring up treasure can stay minus the bone cage

**The stretch rooms pre-stretch narration is only played in said room, making the theme bad for guests who walk in late. Also, guests may walk out of the portrait hall before that room's narration is finished. Plus in HMH, guests may not hear the beginning of the portrait hall narration because music is played after Jack. My idea to fix this is to play the pre-stretch narration in the foyer as well and maybe make the portrait hall path a bit of a switchback.

I'm afraid the only improvements of yours I agree are: A) reopen the Disney Gallery; and B) revise the narration for HM. I actually don't mind the POTC refurb. Sure, they've had to remove a few key lines of dialog here and there, but at least this time they opted not to revise it any more than necessary. Maybe, since there are two stretching rooms, one in front of you and the other to your left as you enter the foyer, maybe have only one of them used as the present-day narration in the walkway. And oh yeah, I'll also restore part of the Ghost Host's narration during the ride itself that has been curiously removed from the ride for reasons unknown. I'd bring back both the entire Madame Leota dialog bit and also the part where the Ghost Host says in the conservatory, "All our ghosts have been dying to meet you. This one can hardly contain himself," but not, "Unfortunately, they've all been having trouble getting through."

What do you think?

[phd516]

Hmm.. just wondering, but why do you dislike the air blasts? They're entertaining.. :tongue:

[Big Disney Fan]

Hmm.. just wondering, but why do you dislike the air blasts? They're entertaining.. :tongue:

Yeah, I think they feel nice on a hot day. But if you don't like them, that's understandable.

[Big Disney Fan]

Just so you know, I'm entering my Toontown improvements in for the semi-finals in the Imagineer contest.

[monkey4057]

Well, I have a confession to make. The air blasts are the only things that keep me of POTC now. The movie additions, like with Pirates Lair, are a bad concept but for the former it is only a supporting fact.

The reason I don't like blasts of air is that they are too intense for me. At Philharmagic, you are treated to an intense blast of air at least 7 times. (I remember 7 but a youtube video hinted a worse 9) They happen in 2 scenes. During the "Be our Guest" segment went the champagne bottles pop and in the "Whole New World" segment after Donald hits the banana cart and a turban is magically poofed on him. The force of the blast made me decide not to take a second visit on either of our two trips. They MIGHT not be as bad as blast #2 on Figment (the first one is a BIT relaxing) but I've been on Figment 3 times. We didn't go on WDW's POTC our first trip because we never found it. We didn't do it our second trip because it was getting John Depp. (I saw on Intercot that the pre-2006 was open on our 2nd-to-last day but I remember going to MK that day and it was NOT open in my recollection) I later read in a Jim Hill thing in Bob Sellhinger's Unofficial Guide book the cannons in WDW are powerful enough to knock a hat off. I hope Toy Story Mania doesn't have the effect.

I personally think the on-ride narration on HM is fine as it is, despite GH having four parts. And by the way, could you clarify the walk-through portion narration idea you had?

[austen]

Lower the price a bit so we can go more!!!

[Big Disney Fan]

Lower the price a bit so we can go more!!!

Yeah, that's another thing!

[Big Disney Fan]

Say, remember the Snow White ride improvement I mentioned earlier in the thread? Well, I've thought up a new attraction poster to go with it!

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/6826/snowwhiteposterbm0.jpg

What do you think?

[rodolfo2007]

One thing that I would improve in DCA would be in Paradise Pier, where MM is, and make a Little Mermaid boat ride where you travel in the row boats like i the scene with kiss the girl. Furthermore, somehow make it so the ending splash is in the bay.

[Big Disney Fan]

I will also update Roger Rabbit's Car Toon Spin as well to keep things fresh and original.

The changes here will be significantly minor and not really noticeable. The queue features a slew of license plates whose jumbles of letters and numbers, when decoded, are actually references to various Disney characters and/or films (i.e., 2N TOWN, BB WOLF, ZPD2DA, 1D N PTR, 101 DALMN, L MERM8). Those same license plates also feature random years on them, before 1947, the unofficial year the Roger Rabbit ride is set in (just like Who Framed Roger Rabbit, on which, of course, the ride is inspired). Anyway, I was thinking of having three new additional license plates to be added to the queue, each complete with different years on them. One of them is DONL DUK (no decode explanation necessary); its year on it is 1934 (a nod, of course, to the year when Donald came into being). Another license plate is MRY PPNS (again, no explanation necessary); its year is 1939. And the third license plate will read RSQRS. In case you don't know what Disney thing that decodes as, it's "The Rescuers", which of course is Disney's 23rd animated feature, from 1977. This license plate's year, however, is 1940. Finally, the license plate reading FANTC will now be replaced by one reading FANTZYA (which, of course, means "Fantasia"). Here are the rough images of the license plates to show what I mean (granted, it doesn't look EXACTLY like the real license plates in the queue do, but it was the best I could do):

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/9333/donldukxh0.jpg
http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/1306/fantzyaaw1.jpg
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/5509/mryppnsar9.jpg
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/4069/rsqrsgt0.jpg

Here are the specific locations of the new plates to be added: the DONL DUK license plate will be placed above the BB WOLF plate. The RSQRS plate will be above the 2N TOWN plate. The MRY PPNS plate will be placed below the ZPD2DA license plate (the 3 LIL PGS plate will be moved over a bit to make room). And the FANTZYA plate will replace the FAN TC plate.

Now, in the Roger Rabbit ride itself, the sounds of tires screeching will be added here and there. There will be some new shattering sound effects as you enter and then exit the china shop scene. And there will be a crashing sound as you barrel through the doors of the Power House. In the Gag Warehouse scene, there be a new gag added: namely, out-of-control fireworks. And as you pass by the laughing clowns, a new laugh sound will be heard, sounding exactly like the hyena laughter from "Small World". Finally, as you approach the chief weasel in the dip cannon truck, the two magnets mounted on them will glow and electricity will crackle on them, as though the magnets have gotten a hold of your car and are bringing it closer to the cannon so that you are easy pickin's for the dip cannon the weasel is controlling. This will help further explain why your steering locks for the remainder of the ride. So the ride's updates will be a bit on the subtle side, but a bit significant.

[Big Disney Fan]

Based on the above information, here are what the license plates would display and what they'd look like with the new plates added (first, the right wall; then the left):

Right Wall:
[19] TOONTOWN [42]
CAP10 HK

[19] TOONTOWN [32]
L MERM8

[19] TOONTOWN [46]
101 DALMN

[19] TOONTOWN [36]
FANTZYA

[19] TOONTOWN [37]
RS2CAT

[19] TOONTOWN [33]
ZPD2DA

[19] TOONTOWN [44]
3 LIL PGS

[19] TOONTOWN [39]
MRY PPNS



Left Wall:
[19] TOONTOWN [40]
RSQRS

[19] TOONTOWN [34]
DONL DUK

[19] TOONTOWN [35]
2N TOWN

[19] TOONTOWN [43]
BB WOLF

[19] TOONTOWN [41]
MR TOAD

[19] TOONTOWN [45]
1DRLND

[19] TOONTOWN [31]
1D N PTR

[19] TOONTOWN [47]
IM L8


Seriously, what does everyone think here? I'd like an opinion! :icon_cry:

[Big Disney Fan]

I just decided to scrap all of the Autopia cars run off by gas and replace them with something more eco-friendly, like maybe electricity or solar power. I'm thinking electricity; it's more practical right now.

[Big Disney Fan]

Where is everybody?!?!?!?!:icon_cry::icon_cry::( :(

[Big Disney Fan]

Tell me, does anyone think there should be a new parade at the parks?

[Mick Balboa]

^Yes.

Maybe a parade showcasing all the plans that didn't make it to the park?

[Big Disney Fan]

^Yes.

Maybe a parade showcasing all the plans that didn't make it to the park?

What do you mean? And I think it should go in DCA; DL needs a nicer, fancier parade, like the Parade of Dreams it has now.

[monkey4057]

Okay, new suggestion.

Personally, I think that the "no flash photography" rule needs to be enforced a bit more. Many take flash pictures and don't stop. This is irritating and can ruin the special effects. This is only considered for indoor rides. I propose that before going indoors, a 2D version of a character in the attraction with a sign that says, "No Flash Photography!". Sensors are installed through numerous spaces in the attraction. If someone takes a flash picture, a characters voice will come on saying to stop the flash photography.

[taxmonkey]

I don't like the indoor flash photography either. The last times on HM Holiday, people in the doom buggy next to mine were taking flash pictures. Not one, not two but about 6-7 times in each room. I ended up closing my eyes in the ballroom and could still tell when they flashed. Very annoying and not easy on the eyes. My hubby kept yelling "stop using a flash" but they just ignored it.

[elisokool16]

I think Tomorrowland needs to be moderately overhauled. Sure Nemo and Space Mountain are great, but Star Tours and HISTK are aging fast and should either be replaced or severely enhanced. Something needs to be done as well to the deserted people mover track, either replacing it with a more modern form of the former people mover or just taking down the track itself. As for Autopia, I agree that the relatively simple replacement of cars to become solar or electrically powered would not take a lot of effort and would on the positive side, seem immensely more futuristic. No longer are cars the "hot new form of transportation," but eco-cars are, and will be even more, so Disney should putforth some effort.

As for DCA, I am excited to see the new improvements planned. A Couple things though, firstly, I don't understand the replacing of the CA screamin loop Mouse logo with a Paradise Pear logo, and the replacing of the Ferris Wheel smile with the Mouse logo. It seems like they are not getting anywhere by doing that. I love the Carthay Circle idea, and am looking forward to a new and better entrance plaza.

I hate the idea of Carsland. Although Disney philosophy emphasizes charcter tie-ins to attractions, this has gone to far. A Bug's Land is more than enough of a park area both not creative and irrelevant to the theme of California. All that carsland relates to California is the obscene amounts of traffic. By having Carsland, Autopia becomes overshadowed and is rendered pointless, buy additionally, few disneyland enthusiasts want to see another pixar themed land, as good as the movie may be. The name also sucks, "cars land," lets think towards the future?

[monkey4057]

Here are some ideas for DCA:

Hollywood Pictures Backlot:
The Little Mermaid: A Journey Under the Sea: To please those such as myself who don't like the location of the upcoming LM ride, this version is where you currently board the Lion King trams. The queue is in the Millionaire building and the exit/gift shop is next to the Monsters, Inc. entrance.

a bug's land:
It's Tough to Be a Bug!:
Make the curtain transitions more seamless (like HISTA) and less like it's fading in and out

And for DL:

In the Opera House, First 50 Years is replaced by Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln. This new attraction is mainly a 3-D movie but still ends with the famous AA-Lincoln-Gettysburg-Address-scene.

[monkey4057]

Oops, forgot some:

In Tomorrowland, the following attractions should be added:
Walt Disney's Tomorrowland Peoplemover (you can easily guess the location)
Figment's World of Imagination (on the second floor of the Imageworks ((formerly the Starcade)) and the Star Traders.
Sonny Eclipse's Planetary Boogie (on the first floor of the Carousel Theater)

In DCA, I'm thinking turn up the volume at Seasons of the Vine and maybe replace the hosts at the bread tour (maybe with Remy and Emile...maybe)

[CoryTheRaven]

Hmm... Just shootin' around some ideas that I've either picked up places, put on this site a long time ago, are actually being done right now, or that someone else has said and I didn't notice because I started glazing over the thread at about page 3...

Disneyland Park

The main area I'd want to play around in would be Tomorrowland... I gather I'm pretty unique in that I actually liked the idea of the 1998 refurb and think it just suffered because of budget cutbacks. But then, I'm also a big Victorian Sci-Fi nut. So, with Tomorrowland...

Move the Astro-Orbitor back on the Peoplemover station, and replace it by the hub with a new Tomorrowland World Clock that would probably be made out of quite a lot of parts from the Observatron.
Bring back the PeopleMover and the Tron Tunnel feature, but make it a Tron 2.0 Tunnel which has Jet trying to rescue you from the computer in a story that plays itself through and between each of the tunnels. While in the tunnels, the cars light up Tron-style.
Rip out Honey, I Shrunk the Audience and move the Grand Canyon Diorama. In their place, import the Dinosaur ride and call it Primeval World. Graft the existing Primeval World into it, so that you pass those dinosaurs in your jeep and you can see the ride from the train.
Rechristen the Starcade as a DisneyQuest.
Bring back the NASA exhibit that used to be under the mural.
Upgrade the Autopia cars to run on various forms of alternative power, such electricity, hydrogen, etc.
From the "wildest fantasy" department, undo millions of dollars of renovations to replace the Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage with a 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea: Quest for Atlantis ride which has alternating Nautiluses (from 20,000 Leagues) and Ulysseses (from Atlantis) with narration and story unique to each ship, with James Mason and Michael J. Fox soundalikes.
Again from the "wildest fantasy" department, overlay a new Adventures Thru Inner Space ride over the Buzz Lightyear's Astro Blasters. This one takes you into the body to fight viruses and things.
Sure, why not another "wildest fantasy"? Overlay Star Tours with a Treasure Planet simulator ride, including all the snazzy redecoration required to make the queue look like the spaceport from the film.


For Fantasyland...

Bring back the Sleeping Beauty Castle walkthrough, but where possible, incorporate a lot of the elements from the version in Paris... Stained glass, fibre-optic equipped tapestries, a fireplace with spinning wheels in it, sleeping suits of armor, etc. And if there was any way possible, give it a cavern with an animatronic dragon.
Have a nightly program that turns Fantasyland into a "villains land". Subtle lighting changes with green, purple, blue and red to make it look more forboding. Have giant, high end inflatable Chernabog and Maleficent the Dragon animatronics on the roofs of the two show buildings (one above Peter Pan, the other above Snow White) that can be deflated and hidden for the day and quickly inflated and displayed for the night. Bring out the costumed villains characters.


For Frontierland...

Finally install Marc Davis' Western River Adventure behind Big Thunder Mountain.
With the Western River Adventure bumping up against the railroad, move the Grand Canyon Diorama over there (where it fits better anyways). Maybe there could be a brief glimpse into the ride (ala. Splash Mountain) and then it switches over to the Diorama.
If any space is left back there after that, convert Big Thunder Ranch into an actual performance rodeo/trick roping/Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show sort of arena.
Bring back the Golden Horseshoe Revue.


For New Orleans Square...

Restore the shops to being unique, one-of-a-kind stores like they originally were.
Install the Phantom Manor's loading area grand staircase and seance circle decorations in the Haunted Mansion.
Remove Davy Jones, Barbossa and most/all of the Jack Sparrows from Pirates of the Caribbean. Barring that, remove Davy Jones and limit any mention of Jack to a few innocuous clips of how the pirates are trying to get to the treasure before him. None of this stuff about the town hiding him.
I ordinarily would have said to rip out all the Pirate's Lair stuff from Tom Sawyer's Island and bring it up to specs as a Western-themed, river pirate (if necessary), Davy Crockett playground, including a reopenned Fort Wilderness with an import of Paris' Legends of the Wild West. However, I kinda' don't care about the whole Pirate's Lair fiasco anymore.


Adventureland...

Restore the Tarzan's Treehouse to the Swiss Family Treehouse.
Import an abreviated version of the Adventurer's Club. Where exactly I don't know... It depends whether the Aladdin's Oasis space (former home of the Tahiti Terrace) is larger and better for the purpose, or whether it might be worth rennovating the stretch from the Bazaar to the Bengal Barbeque, keeping the Bazaar as a store/foyer and incorporating said BBQ into the Club. Any necessary store space after that could probably be moved over to Aladdin's Oasis.
I wouldn't have any immediate plans to do anything to the Jungle Cruise or Temple of the Forbidden Eye. But while I'm pretending to be John Lasseter, I might as well put in my vote now for the Jungle Cruise movie trilogy being about a boat ride into the jungle, running afoul of headhunters, piranhas, a campful of gorillas and a waterfall in search of the legendary Temple of Mara. In that event, the boats could be turned around to go the other direction so the Mara temple is at the end, and then the Temple of the Forbidden Eye could be de-Indied.


And Main St. USA...

Switch out some of the films in the Main St. Cinema to include some Oswald, Alice and early Silly Symphony cartoons. (I'd vote for Steamboat Willie, Plane Crazy, Trolly Troubles, Alice's Wild West Show, Skeleton Dance and Mickey's Polo Team)
Restore Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln.
Move the former Disney Gallery that was in the new Dream Suite down to Main St. somewhere, and not just as an even more transparent attempt to sell something.


California Adventure

It's actually hard for me to gauge this one because they're actually doing a lot of the things that I would have done already! But heregoes, beginning with The Golden State...

I'm really excited that they're going to try and make the area have that 1930's National Parks rustic vibe! That was the main change I wanted right there!
Make Ranger J. Audobon Woodlore and Humphrey the Bear the mascots for the "Grizzly Peak National Park" and have a Ranger Station theatre that plays their cartoons. I'd probably want to expand into Condor Flats to grab space for this.
Import the Country Bear Jamboree.
Have a "mine train" small-scale railway that takes visitors around the Golden State.
I'd love to see some kind of prehistoric, La Brea Tar Pits-inspired attraction, maybe related to Brother Bear in some fashion, but I'm not sure what it would be besides a "Primeval World"-like portion of aforementioned mine train.


Pacific Wharf, which I would convert to the long lost Discovery Bay. The setting is already perfect, and just needs to be added to and plussed out to get the desired effect. Then come the attractions...

In the bay have the Nautilus, and from the wharf have the entrance to the Mysteries of the Nautilus.
Import the Cafe Hyperion or use the Cafe Hyperion's entrance for the original purpose of an Island at the Top of the World ride, which would be roughly equivalent to DisneySea's 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea ride.
Or barring an Island at the Top of the World ride and assuming that the Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage is not going anywhere, import DisneySea's 20,000 Leagues ride. However, instead of 20,000 Leagues, give it an Atlantis overlay, with the ride vehicles looking like the sub-pods.
Import Journey to the Center of the Earth, this time as a digger machine going deep into Grizzly Peak.


I don't care about Paradise Pier or Carsland, so whatever, let's move on to Hollywood Pictures Backlot...

I'd want to bring it back around to emphasizing the classic 1920/30's era of Hollywood. So out with a lot of the stuff that is supposed to look like modern theatres and backlots. Down with bright flashy colors and cartoony things! Of course, I don't know what the heck to do with Monsters, Inc. then...
Fix up the Muppet, Playhouse Disney and Hyperion theatres to look like old Hollywood movie palaces, complete with ornate, Art Deco interiors (at least for the Muppet and Hyperion theatres). I'd like to keep the Muppet*Vision 3-D since it's the funniest Muppet show I've seen in decades, but if that has to go, replace it with Mickey's Philharmagic.
Some manner of classic, B&W cartoon ride... I was thinking something to the effect of a boat ride where you load into mini-steamboats to sail through an animatronic and special effects diorama story of Mickey and Oswald competing with eachother while trying to rescue Minnie and Oswald's girlfriend from Peg-Leg Pete. There would be a lot of old Vaudeville and silent movie-style gags and references, as well as scenes from Disney 'toons of that era (like a spooky Skeleton Dance sequence). That might be a lame envisioning of the ride, but I want something in that Mickey n' Oswald vein!
Institute a Disney Walk of Fame along the streets of the Backlot, with stars for Disney Legends, Imagineers, filmmakers, etc.


*yawn* I think that's about all - and more than enough - for now...

[monkey4057]

Sorry, forgot another one:

Jack Skellington's Awards Scare-emony at the Frightages Theater: This new 3-D movie starring Jack, Sally, and Oogie (filmed in stop-motion as well) would temporarily replace Muppet*Vision 3-D for the HalloweenTime season.

[Lighttech1]

Sorry, forgot another one:

Jack Skellington's Awards Scare-emony at the Frightages Theater: This new 3-D movie starring Jack, Sally, and Oogie (filmed in stop-motion as well) would temporarily replace Muppet*Vision 3-D for the HalloweenTime season.

That seems familiar.....oh yes Golden Sceams.

[Lighttech1]

* Move the former Disney Gallery that was in the new Dream Suite down to Main St. somewhere, and not just as an even more transparent attempt to sell something.

That is already in progress, or should be shortly


Pacific Wharf, which I would convert to the long lost Discovery Bay.

How in the sweet lord does that fit into a distinctive theme over there?

[CoryTheRaven]

Discovery Bay, as originally conceived for Frontierland, was meant be a turn-of-the-century San Francisco wharf theme (think the opening scene in 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea where Arronax and Conseil are being mobbed by reporters while Ned gets in a fist fight). Basically, it was supposed to look like how Pacific Wharf already does, but y'know, with the Nautilus and the Hyperion. In fact, when I first saw Pacific Wharf, I automatically envisioned a Nautilus in the harbor. I figure it'd be easy enough to make overlays for Atlantis and Journey to the Centre of the Earth that fit that theme.

There's a brief article with some concept art at http://jimhillmedia.com/blogs/jim_hill/archive/2005/05/22/609.aspx

[monkey4057]

That seems familiar.....oh yes Golden Sceams.

Yes, true. But unlike Golden Screams, it is explained why the Nightmare characters are in the Muppet theater. According to the story, at the end of every Halloween, Halloweentown has an awards "scare-emony" (like in the film, but bigger). Due to location, they never got any visitors so the Muppets have lent them the theater for the Halloween season.

It uses the same effects as Muppets but instead of a regular curtain, it is a projection like HISTA or ITTBAB

[Lighttech1]

Yes, true. But unlike Golden Screams, it is explained why the Nightmare characters are in the Muppet theater. According to the story, at the end of every Halloween, Halloweentown has an awards "scare-emony" (like in the film, but bigger). Due to location, they never got any visitors so the Muppets have lent them the theater for the Halloween season.

It uses the same effects as Muppets but instead of a regular curtain, it is a projection like HISTA or ITTBAB

That theatre uses both a projection screen and a Braille curtain.

What im saying about Pacific Wharf, is that you have bugs land next door, Paradise Piers Victorian Theme, the new 1920s plaza, and the new re-theming of the GRR area. How would you transition your area between those areas? Pacific Wharf is fishing type pier on a harbor.

Read this: http://www.ultimateorlando.com/archive/discoverybay/

It pays off to do research.

[CostaFreak]

Ahh...Discovery Bay, unbuilt paradise.

*Ahem* Anyways, this reminds me...I have an abandoned map to work on.

[CoryTheRaven]

What im saying about Pacific Wharf, is that you have bugs land next door, Paradise Piers Victorian Theme, the new 1920s plaza, and the new re-theming of the GRR area. How would you transition your area between those areas? Pacific Wharf is fishing type pier on a harbor.

Pause for a minute and think through this paragraph...

Pacific Wharf is a fishing type pier on a harbor.

Bug's Land is already next door.

Paradise Pier already has a Victorian theme.

A 1920's plaza is being built at the front of the park, in full knowledge of Pacific Wharf's existence.

GRR is being rethemed to the 1930's, also in full knowledge of Pacific Wharf's existence.

Discovery Bay is essentially Pacific Wharf but with the Nautilus in the Harbour and the Hyperion in a hangar. Heck, if we didn't need the space, I'd even say to keep the bakery and tortillas!

... Am I the only one that fails to see a problem with putting Discovery Bay in Pacific Wharf that isn't already present with Pacific Wharf? What transitions would I need beyond what is already there?

It pays off to do research.

:icon_roll

I'm sure you noticed that the text in your link is the same as in that Jim Hill article I posted.

[Lighttech1]

That pacific wharf is not from the 1850s like Discovery Bay. Ist of a more up to date architecture. And I never even saw your link so.

[Lighttech1]

Pause for a minute and think through this paragraph...

Pacific Wharf is a fishing type pier on a harbor.

Bug's Land is already next door.

Paradise Pier already has a Victorian theme.

A 1920's plaza is being built at the front of the park, in full knowledge of Pacific Wharf's existence.

GRR is being rethemed to the 1930's, also in full knowledge of Pacific Wharf's existence.

Discovery Bay is essentially Pacific Wharf but with the Nautilus in the Harbour and the Hyperion in a hangar. Heck, if we didn't need the space, I'd even say to keep the bakery and tortillas!

... Am I the only one that fails to see a problem with putting Discovery Bay in Pacific Wharf that isn't already present with Pacific Wharf? What transitions would I need beyond what is already there?



:icon_roll

I'm sure you noticed that the text in your link is the same as in that Jim Hill article I posted.


Yes but look how the farming area leads into bugs lands and then how bugs land flows into GRR area across the way. Then how the farm land flows down into PW area. It all works together. Just like at WDW. Areas flow together. As you leave Fantasyland and walk under the bridge thats used for Columbia Harbour House, the architecture on each side of that pass-through is different. On the Liberty Square side you have stone work reminiscent of the castle wall in Liberty Square, and then you have Tudor Style woodwork on both sides of the restaurant. As you go through your view narrows and goes dark under the tunnel making the change not as apparent.

[CoryTheRaven]

I still honestly fail to see the problem here that isn't already present with the existing Pacific Wharf. Both going off of memory and having another window pulled up here with a Google image search for Pacific Wharf pics, I'm really just not seeing the issue.

Pacific Wharf is already themed on a turn-of-the-previous-century California harbour community. That is pretty much the same as Discovery Bay... I'm not being that picky about the exact date, since California Adventure itself is not a faithful recreation of any particular year in California's history. It's an idealized, fantasy amalgam of different time periods creating an aesthetic impression of California's "Golden Age", from the Victorian Era (Paradise Pier) to the heyday of Route 66 (Carsland). Even the franchises I want to put into Discovery Bay aren't from the same time period: 20,000 Leagues is from the mid-Victorian Era while Atlantis is from just before World War I. The goal is to create that air of roughly turn-of-the-previous-century Scientific Romances.

Being indulgent, I even decided to do a bit of bad photoshopping to give it a look...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/palaeogothica/stupiddiscoverybay1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/palaeogothica/stupiddiscoverybay2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/palaeogothica/stupiddiscoverybay3.jpg

And from that perspective, having been to California Adventure and looking at photos of Pacific Wharf right now, as I write this, I simply do not see the problem.

[Lighttech1]

Its looks like crap. Sorry but you cant mix 40 different themes. Pacific Wharf is a fishing pier of the early 90s.

[monkey4057]

I thought they were good with the exception of the last one

[CoryTheRaven]

Its looks like crap. Sorry but you cant mix 40 different themes. Pacific Wharf is a fishing pier of the early 90s.

...Which can easily be made to look like a fishing pier of the early 1890's.

But, I'm glad that, however crappy you think it looks, debates amongst armchair imagineers are entirely inconsequential.

I thought they were good with the exception of the last one

Heh, I was just getting kinda' wacky with the last one... I spent a good amount of my diversionary time away from my studies trying to find just the right picture for a Journey to the Center of the Earth attraction coming out of Grizzly Peak. I admitted right off that my photoshopping was terrible though... can't win 'em all ^_^

[Lighttech1]

...Which can easily be made to look like a fishing pier of the early 1890's.

But, I'm glad that, however crappy you think it looks, debates amongst armchair imagineers are entirely inconsequential.



Heh, I was just getting kinda' wacky with the last one... I spent a good amount of my diversionary time away from my studies trying to find just the right picture for a Journey to the Center of the Earth attraction coming out of Grizzly Peak. I admitted right off that my photoshopping was terrible though... can't win 'em all ^_^

That mountain is not big enough for an attraction, and houses the pump system for GRR.

[CoryTheRaven]

Duly noted :icon_roll

[CostaFreak]

You know, Discovery Bay sounds 10x better than Carsland. If you put a Discovery Bay in the Timon parking lot or something, it would work.

YES! Found my map that would transform DCA into Disney's America...now to actually finish drawing the thing.

[DisneyParksFan]

In regurd to having the Nautilus in the Pacific Wharf...what? How can you possibly be expected to pull off the illusion of a 19th Century futuristic-based prop in the middle of a fishing wharf themed area? You would have to completely change the entire area to match one object. You would be better off placing it in HPB...that area is already a trainwreck (theme-wise). At least there it would look like a movie prop.

Atlantis ride...should probably let it go. Nothing against you or the movie, but I think it's time to let that one fade into history. The movie is not really on the 'classics list' nor was it one that really brought in the audiences...its ship has sailed (much like Treasure Planet's).

Journey to the Center of the Earth...not enough room.

[CoryTheRaven]

In regurd to having the Nautilus in the Pacific Wharf...what? How can you possibly be expected to pull off the illusion of a 19th Century futuristic-based prop in the middle of a fishing wharf themed area? You would have to completely change the entire area to match one object.

Well, one could probably wing it by retheming it to a 19th century fishing wharf themed area, which wouldn't be that hard since it already has substantial 19th century architectural features. I thought we already went over this... Man, you guys are overly serious about this. I'm sure that if I actually did work for Imagineering, I probably wouldn't get quite this worked over on the blue sky stage. Yeesh.

Atlantis ride...should probably let it go. Nothing against you or the movie, but I think it's time to let that one fade into history. The movie is not really on the 'classics list' nor was it one that really brought in the audiences...its ship has sailed (much like Treasure Planet's).

I'm a firm believer in a good quality ride speaking for itself. If a really decent attraction could be made out of Atlantis, not only would it succeed on its own merits, but probably even raise the reputation of the film.

As evidence, I put forth that none of the original Pirates of the Caribbean, the Haunted Mansion, Enchanted Tiki Room, Jungle Cruise, it's a small world, Adventures Thru Inner Space, Matterhorn Bobsleds, the original Submarine Voyage, or Space Mountain were based on films, and no one under the age of 20 has legally seen the movie Splash Mountain is based on. One of the big problems with the Disney company right now is that they can't envision a good attraction beyond a movie it can be cross-promoted with. I'm just looking at importing Tokyo's 20K ride (which really has little formally to do with the film) and giving it a different movie overlay so it doesn't conflict so much with my desire to also import Paris' Mysteries of the Nautilus.

Journey to the Center of the Earth...not enough room.

I'm not the least bit adverse to demolishing the farm, the Timon parking lot, or even A Bug's Land to accomodate proven E-ticket rides, nor am I adverse to ripping out a tunnel and remodelling Grizzly Peak and the winery. Nuts to Carsland too!

In fact, here's a quick and completely scientific schematic of the area I'd want to mess around with in California Adventure, without even getting into Bug's Land or the parking lot, vs. the entire space of Mysterious Island in Tokyo, at the same scale. I don't see any insurmountable problems here. Sure it'll need a little jiggery-pokery, but that's fine...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/palaeogothica/stupiddiscoverybay4.jpg

Keep in mind that this is teh internets and I am assuming an unlimited budget and accountability to no one but Bob Iger in this completely hypothetical exercise in play-imagineering. Hell, I'd demolish the whole freakin' park if I thought I had a better idea for what to put in its place.

[DisneyParksFan]

I only have time to make one comment right now since I have to go to class but...the two images you are using to compare sizes with are not at the same scale.
Look at the bar on the top left of the image...The TDL image is zoomed out more than the DCA.

[CoryTheRaven]

I only have time to make one comment right now since I have to go to class but...the two images you are using to compare sizes with are not at the same scale.
Look at the bar on the top left of the image...The TDL image is zoomed out more than the DCA.

Nope... Look at the scale bar at the bottom of each picture. The 50m scale is the same length. I made sure they were the same; Google is the one that put the two at different zooms.

[monkey4057]

To give encouragement, I like your ideas except the Center of the Earth one (sorry). I especially like the idea of the Atlantis ride.

[DisneyParksFan]

Nope... Look at the scale bar at the bottom of each picture. The 50m scale is the same length. I made sure they were the same; Google is the one that put the two at different zooms.

Alright, sorry about that.

[CoryTheRaven]

To give encouragement, I like your ideas except the Center of the Earth one (sorry). I especially like the idea of the Atlantis ride.

Thank you and fair enough!

What I was sort of seeing with Journey to the Centre of the Earth was something like a "high-tech" California gold mining operation using these drill machines (I'd actually be keen to use cars that look something like the drill machine from Atlantis) that accidentally breaks through into a labyrinth of caverns full of crystals, giant toadstools, lava and monsters.

Another option that I think would be just as well is to tie it into Atlantis as well, keeping the drill machine and making it the trip to Atlantis through the ground rather than through the water, like the sub-pod ride. Both rides would be taking their inspirations from the different sequences in the movie. In fact, I wonder if, doing it that way, there wouldn't be a way to let the two rides share the same diorama of the city of Atlantis.

In the former version, that's the one I'd want to have blow out of Grizzly Peak. The latter version could be out in the parking lot, especially if it shares a show building (and a show!) with the sub-pod ride.

[Big Disney Fan]

I know something else to fix up: Pirates of the Caribbean. This fix-up should be a win-win for both the purists and the people wanting to see the characters in the movies. The changes will be mostly of audio. The characters from the movie seen in the ride can stay, but Barbossa's dialog on the ship will be revised so it's not about Cap. Jack Sparrow, but about the location of the treasure, similar to the pirates' dialog when dunking the mayor into the well. Speaking of which, that bit of dialog will also be restored. But everything else stays the same.

[bbt931]

I have an idea for Frontierland:

Big Thunder Mine

Guests will climb aboard mine carts, which will carry them into an old abandoned mine. Once inside the mine, guests will unload onto a wooden platform, where a CM will give each guest equipment to pan for gold. The guests will be able to explore the mine, and stop at several different locations where they may pan for "gold".

The mine would kind of be more like a cave, and the walls would be illuminated by blue, green and white lights.

Kind of like this:

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj186/bbt931/asdfasd.jpg


The areas with water would be where guests would pan for gold.

As for location, the entrance will be located where the Big Thunder Ranch currently is, but most of the attraction will, of course, be located underground. Guests will be able to exit the same way they got in (by mine cart), and of course, they will be able to keep any "gold" they find in the mine.

Well...I know it's not very realistic, and not very good, but it's my idea, and I think it sounds pretty cool.:biggrin:

[DisneyParksFan]

I like the idea....but you're right, it is pretty unrealistic.
It seems like the attraction would take up alot of space, maybe equivilent to the size of a pavilion at Epcot (keyword:maybe). The attraction would need alot of queue space for the cart ride. One would be for taking you into the attraction and then another queue to bring you back to Frontierland. There might even be need for an additional queue inside the mine for the possibility of that the guests are taking a great amount of time to 'pan.'
That leads us to that the attraction will probably have an incredibly low capacity. The attraction might be better suited for a mineshaft walkthrough (which would be too similar to Pirate's Lair).
What I would suggest is to refurb sections of the walkway that wraps around BTMR to make it appear more like a rocky desert (to better match BTMR's facade). Right now, it is more like the rock formations end at the walkway. There are a few on the other side of BT, but there could always be more ;)

[Big Disney Fan]

The attraction might be better suited for a mineshaft walkthrough (which would be too similar to Pirate's Lair).

How about somehow merging with Pirate's Lair with the mineshaft concept. It'd be a win-win for the pirate people and the purist people, wouldn't it?