Pirates III: At Worlds End discussion (spoilers) [Archive]

Almandot

05-25-2007, 07:28 PM

WOW! This movie was awesome! I'm definitily ranking this one up there in contention for greatest trilogy. Back to the Future still holds the crown for me but this got up there.

I really loved how they kept the plot kept progressing well throughout all 3 movies. They introduced new things and expanded on it but not to the point where it became too branched out and they didn't dwell. Matrix 2 was almost unwatchable to me for the first 2/3rds of the movie because I just sat there feeling annoyed that nothing was going anywhere and they'd lost sight of the storytelling. Definitely not the case for pirates. That said, when it came time for action the cannons roared and the swords clashed. They didn't shy away from action.

I'm happy for Will and Elizabeth's resolution midmovie. The end was a sad twist to it but well written. The struggle of power between Jack and Barbossa(or Hector :eek: HAAHAHAA it's so funny when it's unexpected and akward like that) And it's interesting to see their corrupted comradere between each other all the way from the first movie through this one. They always have some burden or debt that forces them to turn heel on the other and whenever they're finally clear of the burden they're competitively friendly but it's always clever one upsmanship with Jack being victorious. The ending was great. It wasn't just an overt attempt to keep the storyline open for another sequel or something, but they couldn't just end this rivalry happily ever after. It just wouldn't be Jack. It ends as it started, Barbossa in charge of the pearl, Jack on his own in the open sea. Only this time Jack owes no debt, Barbossa is uncursed, and they've got the world wide open to them. Set sail!

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What do you all think about the Jack Sparrow rescue attempt? I can't help but wonder.. it seems like he was well on his way to escaping on his own.. He wouldn't have been able to tip the boat all on his own, but I think he's just savvy enough to have done it. I'll give that one to Jack =D

Barbossa shouting some of the lines was awesome, particularly some of the ones that people have complained were removed. He fit in some ship captain lines, some of the cave's ominous voice lines, and even the talking skull. all leading up to the drop from the ride being the drop at world's end muahaha. Brilliant. (technically this was a wdw reference more than a DL one because the drop led right into the battle scene dialogue, for those keeping track;)). The way they gave meaning to so many unexpected things from the ride was very creative. And of course they managed to fit in the blatant ones ;)

And what about that whole conversation between Elizabeth and Will... did they totally film that on the lower deck of the Columbia? I wonder.. But it was a cool reference either way.

perfectpixie1990

05-25-2007, 07:45 PM

The connections from the ride, I have to say, were my favorite in At Worlds End than either of the other two. I don't know, just something about referencing the dialogue rather than a classic scene really stood out to me. When the screen went black and the faint Yo Ho (A Pirates Life for Me) came over the speakers, followed by sounds from the ride... oh my goodness, I jumped out of my seat. It brought tears to my eyes.

Now if we could just explain to everyone on the face of the earth the significance of that brief montage.

kairamoon

05-25-2007, 08:25 PM

Yeah that part with the ride stuff was soooo cool. I was so excited that my friend got annoyed lol. My favorite parts though were with Jack's dad (Keith Richards!!!) and the dog AND... the whole wedding was awesome. Lol definitely a wedding worth remembering. I like how they had the sword fighting during the wedding between Elizabeth and Will look like they were dancing almost. Very cool. And we can't forget about how they made Tia Dalma's part bigger. Just a great movie all together.

Disneyfan32

05-25-2007, 09:20 PM

All i have to say is WOW! great movie no it was way way way better then great it was DISNEY MAGIC! I hope they make another one but if they don't then WHAT A GRAND EXIT! I'm not going to give it up to anyone who hasn't seen the movie yet but i make 2 sggestions one for everyone GO SEE THE MOVIE! and 2 for all Southern Cali Residents GO SEE IT AT THE EL CAPITAN! great props /costumes from the movie for you to view plus the wait in line is great fun saw alot of them pirate characters from the movie premere there Anyways thats how i feel i'm passing the vine to the next message maker PEACE OUT!

xfkirsten

05-26-2007, 12:03 AM

I gotta say, I was really, really pulling for Jack/Elizabeth rather than Will/Elizabeth... but the Will/Elizabeth won me over in the end. I loved how they really found their love for each other again! :smile:

Now, someone on another board said that there was originally a scene where it was explained that if the woman stayed faithful to the man for the ten years he was at sea, that he could stay home permanently, and so that after the credits, Will was supposed to be coming home for good. I haven't heard that confirmed anywhere, and it does lead me to wonder who would take over the Dutchman's job. If it's true, however, I think that would make the ending considerably more satisfying. :smile:

I also heard that there was about 40 minutes cut out of this one during the editing process, as it was a very long movie to begin with. I honestly think that it could have done better if they'd left at least some of that in - the show's biggest weaknesses came from gaps in the story (Elizabeth suddenly getting over her father's death - aside from the grudge against Norrington, what happened to the Kraken, etc.) and by making the movie a bit longer than most but fleshing out the story would have been beneficial in this case. I really, really hope we see a director's cut on this one!

I must say, I really loved the score, as well. Hans Zimmer did a fantastic job - the new themes he wove into this one were perfect!

FantasmicFan89

05-26-2007, 12:28 AM

I dunno, I feel like they could've done so much more with it. I mean it was still really good, but I felt the storyline was a little weak. And I definitely didn't like the fact that Elizabeth became king/queen of the pirates. There were other parts that I felt had no point to being in the movie.

Grade: B+

Ezra

05-26-2007, 12:36 AM

Now, someone on another board said that there was originally a scene where it was explained that if the woman stayed faithful to the man for the ten years he was at sea, that he could stay home permanently, and so that after the credits, Will was supposed to be coming home for good. I think that's how it worked in the old movie Pandora and the Flying Dutchman with James Mason and Ava Gardiner. I remember thinking it was a good movie, but that was a long long time ago.

I've always seen Will and Elizabeth as the protagonists, and Jack as the chief antagonist, always frustrating their plans to be together. The trillogy ending with them together really wasn't a surprise. The way it happens is very interesting though. It's not quite a happy ending. It's bittersweet. And for a Disney film that's very unusual. I missed out on the after credits scene, though. :frown: The friend I was with drank a large soda, you know...:icon_redf

FantasmicFan89

05-26-2007, 01:30 AM

HMF

05-26-2007, 06:57 AM

Barbossa says in the movie "These be the last friendly words you hear. You may not survive to pass this way again." It is very ironic that they chose that piece of ride dialouge for the movie considering that dialouge was removed from the ride for the Davy Jones effect. Very ironic. Also you hear the voice of the original Captain of the Wicked Wenches voice when they go over the waterfall. Could Disney be thinking of bringing back the old ride?

tinkerbell18

05-26-2007, 10:17 PM

I have to say I was really satisfied with this movie. It was MUCH better than the second one (though not as good as the first). I LOVED the ride references, as well as the little connections to the first movie--those things made the movie much more entertaining for me. This movie kind of killed parts of the first one, but it answered a lot of questions left by the second (though it also created many new ones).

I didn't like the way certain things played out (Norrington, Elizabeth's dad, and especially the thing with Will), but overall, I liked the movie. Maybe (hopefully) what xfkirsten said about Will coming home for good in the end is true. By the way, that kid (who I'm assuming was Elizabeth's son) looked uncannily like the kid hung in the beginning. I don't think there's any connection, but then again, I guess you never know...

Barbossa says in the movie "These be the last friendly words you hear. You may not survive to pass this way again." It is very ironic that they chose that piece of ride dialouge for the movie considering that dialouge was removed from the ride for the Davy Jones effect. Very ironic. Also you hear the voice of the original Captain of the Wicked Wenches voice when they go over the waterfall. Could Disney be thinking of bringing back the old ride?

Huh, that is pretty ironic. I doubt they'll put the ride back to the way it was though. But the Davy Jones effect doesn't even make sense now (not that it really did in the first place), after what happened to him in this movie... Maybe they'll put that particular part back...

Almandot

05-26-2007, 10:43 PM

The kid at the end of the movie had to be the kid who got hung in the beginning. But I think at this point his significance is left for us to decide. He's the one that started the pirate's song and the call for the Brethren court. He had one of the silver coins that they thought were the pieces of eight but rang as the calling card for the meeting... I think there's something more significant to him than just some random kid to be hanged. And when you think about it, have we seen any kid pirates besides him at any point in any of the movies? Only Will when he was rescued.

About will returning... I'd kind of wondered what it was about and according to the internet(shrug) the writer's have confirmed that will did come back from the dead because of the whole 10 years of faithfulness thing. The reason I'd been confused/curious when I saw it in theaters is because when he comes back there was a green flash, which never happened when Davy Jones showed up... so either something else happened or they slipped up. And it looks like it signified his soul returning.

And now that I've gone about looking around... the kid who got hung was played by Brendyn Bell(the vocals were.. i'm trying to check if he was the kid on screen though, but it looks like it) and the young will turner(that's his name in the credits so that seals it...) was played by Dominic Scott Kay.

xfkirsten

05-26-2007, 11:27 PM

By the way, that kid (who I'm assuming was Elizabeth's son) looked uncannily like the kid hung in the beginning. I don't think there's any connection, but then again, I guess you never know...

I said the same thing, and rambled about it at length on my LiveJournal. My gut reaction in the middle of the theater was blurting out "she popped out the dead kid?!" and then I was completely hooked on that afterwards. It was rather creepy, in my mind. :p

Almandot

05-26-2007, 11:41 PM

Also you hear the voice of the original Captain of the Wicked Wenches voice when they go over the waterfall. Could Disney be thinking of bringing back the old ride?

pure and simple it was an homage.. it's technically supposed to be them still shouting probably and many audiences might not get that it was ripped right out the ride. if you want to put some meaning behind it, maybe that the old audio has passed on from this world and is in davy jones' locker ;)

And while I personally hope for continued modifications to Pirates, just because the end of the story changes how we look at the elements such as Davy Jones in the ride doesn't mean we need to change it. Every presense in the park from a movie character takes place 'during' the movie. The villains are still alive, the beast is usually still the beast, ariel is still a mermaid usually, pete still has his dragon, and wendy most definitely does not have a daughter. So regardless of Davy Jones' fate, he can still be in the ride.

Almandot

05-27-2007, 12:59 AM

K the kid that got hung and turner's son are in fact 2 different kids. (first the kid who was hung and then young will turner)
http://76.172.192.130:666/hung.jpg http://76.172.192.130:666/turner.jpg

It doesn't help that they picked 2 kids that look alike. Can't help but think they would've thought of that :P

mermaid_hair

05-27-2007, 01:42 AM

I absolutely loved this movie! When my friend and I heard the tribute at the waterfall, we both practically screamed but instead tried to muster our excited giggles. No one else in the theater understood why we were acting this way, so they stared at us oddly.

The movie seemed to go quickly! I never even noticed that it was about three hours long. After it ended, I wanted more! I hope they do a sequel, I want to see who ends up with the black pearl, and the fountain of youth!

Also, my friend and I both agree that Captain Barbossa is in fact the best pirate in the seven seas. Period.

Ezra

05-27-2007, 02:14 AM

It is very ironic that they chose that piece of ride dialouge for the movie considering that dialouge was removed from the ride for the Davy Jones effect. Very ironic. Also you hear the voice of the original Captain of the Wicked Wenches voice when they go over the waterfall.The movie makers had more respect for the original ride than the imagineers did. Here's an excerpt from an article in the LA daily News:The new attraction follows last year's revamp of the Pirates of the Caribbean ride, which inserted characters from the movie as well as upgrading the look and sound of the attraction, now 40 years old.

The changes angered some purists. Even Gore Verbinski, director of the "Pirates" movies, blanched at the idea, calling the ride 'sacred'. "As much as it's nice to see Jack and Davy Jones there, part of me thinks they don't belong," Verbinski says. "But it's a different time, and I suppose kids would wonder, 'Where's Jack?'"
Live the Pirates fantasy ...at Disneyland (http://www.dailynews.com/entertainment/ci_5930550)

xfkirsten

05-27-2007, 03:20 AM

K the kid that got hung and turner's son are in fact 2 different kids. (first the kid who was hung and then young will turner)

[pic snip]

It doesn't help that they picked 2 kids that look alike. Can't help but think they would've thought of that :P

Ah, so they are indeed different kids. It's funny how an oversight like that can cause such a commotion. I've seen more people online asking about why their son was the dead kid than anything else! How embarrassing. :p

HMF

05-27-2007, 06:24 AM

pure and simple it was an homage.. it's technically supposed to be them still shouting probably and many audiences might not get that it was ripped right out the ride. if you want to put some meaning behind it, maybe that the old audio has passed on from this world and is in davy jones' locker ;)

And while I personally hope for continued modifications to Pirates, just because the end of the story changes how we look at the elements such as Davy Jones in the ride doesn't mean we need to change it. Every presense in the park from a movie character takes place 'during' the movie. The villains are still alive, the beast is usually still the beast, ariel is still a mermaid usually, pete still has his dragon, and wendy most definitely does not have a daughter. So regardless of Davy Jones' fate, he can still be in the ride.
I really do not think they should take Davy Jones out of the ride. I just think they should bring back the ghostly voices and the original Captain of the Wicked Wench.;)

tinkerbell18

05-27-2007, 11:09 AM

And while I personally hope for continued modifications to Pirates, just because the end of the story changes how we look at the elements such as Davy Jones in the ride doesn't mean we need to change it. Every presense in the park from a movie character takes place 'during' the movie. The villains are still alive, the beast is usually still the beast, ariel is still a mermaid usually, pete still has his dragon, and wendy most definitely does not have a daughter. So regardless of Davy Jones' fate, he can still be in the ride.

You've got a point there. I didn't look at it that way. I'm not really a big Davy Jones fan (in the movie or the ride), so I guess I was just looking for reasons for him to be removed. :p

Originally Posted by Almandot
K the kid that got hung and turner's son are in fact 2 different kids. (first the kid who was hung and then young will turner)

[pic snip]

It doesn't help that they picked 2 kids that look alike. Can't help but think they would've thought of that :P
Ok that makes a lot more sense now. I figured that it was probably just a coincedence, but they looked so similar that I kept trying to find a connection.

Speaking of the dead kid, I read somewhere that there was an adult towards the end of the movie that looked like the grown-up version of that kid, but I didn't see anyone like that. Did anyone see this?

By the way, didn't one of the pirate lords (the French one, I think) look a lot like Captain Hook? I was half expecting to see a hook on his hand. :p

phd516

05-27-2007, 11:09 AM

Also, my friend and I both agree that Captain Barbossa is in fact the best pirate in the seven seas. Period.

That's what made me love this movie so much, the fact that Barbossa was in command almost all the way through. He's wicked cool. :cool:

Almandot

05-27-2007, 11:30 AM

Barbossa is always in command of his situation, but the only one to figure things out or get things done is Jack. Like the movie suggests, everything Jack does makes you think he's the worst pirate you've ever seen, but when he's done you can't help but admire the best pirate you've ever seen and wonder does he plan it all out or make it up as he goes along

Jen-Ness

05-27-2007, 11:53 AM

I went and saw it for he second time last night and it was even better!!!

TimmyII

05-27-2007, 05:10 PM

I thought this movie was pretty good....not as good as the first one, but wrapped up this storyline pretty well. I thought the whole "Jack in Davy Jones's Locker" was rather odd, but didn't detract from the story. I expected some underwater type sea-afterlife rather than him hallucinating in a desert.
What I would look forward to is the next story (no need for three parts this time though) of going after this "fountain of youth" between Jack & Barbossa again ..... similar to the first movie!
Over all I'd give it 9 out of 10!

TopCat8

05-27-2007, 05:43 PM

I loved this movie so much for so many different reasons. I was never bored like I usually am with long movies, and as soon as it was over, I wanted to watch it again. Like people before me have said, that part with all the sound clips from the ride was amazing to me. I would've loved to just sit in the dark theater and listen to it some more. The first movie is still my favorite, but after I see At World's End again, that might change. I give it 2 thumbs up and 5 stars! I also thought that this movie was a little violent to be a Disney movie. Just a couple of scenes though.

Zip~a~dee~doo~dah

05-27-2007, 06:46 PM

I was surprised at some of the violence and gruesome-ness in the movie, such as the scene where Mercer is killed by Jones. And the part near the end with Will & Elizabeth on the beach seemed a bit too... over the top. Fights were excellent, of course. Jack's madness was confusing at first, but pretty funny afterwards. It was good to see the two soldiers from the first movie return, still bickering. I really want them to do at least one more, now, to end the whole thing on a happy note, like the first. Oh, and the giant-calypso bit was rather ridiculous. In fact, I felt that throughout the entire movie Tia Dalma was lacking the wise mytique that made her such an interesting character in DMC.

I'd give the movie a total rating of... 7/10.

tinkerbell18

05-27-2007, 11:04 PM

It was good to see the two soldiers from the first movie return, still bickering.
That was one of the highlights of the movie for me. I love them--they're hilarious!

Oh, and the giant-calypso bit was rather ridiculous. In fact, I felt that throughout the entire movie Tia Dalma was lacking the wise mytique that made her such an interesting character in DMC.

I thought that was pretty ridiculous too. Does anyone know what the heck she was saying when she had that deep, demonic sounding voice?

A lot of reviews were saying how confusing the movie was, but overall, I didn't find it terribly confusing. I got kind of lost trying to figure out who was on who's side though--there was more alliance-forming, deal-making, and backstabbing in this movie than there is in an entire season of Survivor... ;)

perfectpixie1990

05-27-2007, 11:14 PM

And the part near the end with Will & Elizabeth on the beach seemed a bit too... over the top.

Yeah, I was waiting for someone to bring that up...

That part and the whole looking through the floorboards [though funny]... just wasn't exactly what I had expected from Disney.

Jen-Ness

05-27-2007, 11:17 PM

I would love to know what she was saying...
I found parts of it very confusing. But after seeing it the second time and asking my date questions, it all made sense.

Almandot

05-27-2007, 11:58 PM

What part did you not understand what she said? The only thing she said when she was giant is "State their name" or something in reference to barbossa mentioning the person who told the original brethren how to imprison her, and he replies "Davy Jones"

Kileli

05-28-2007, 07:56 AM

I saw it yeserday! And I got sick! but anyway, I loved it. It was too long, my bottom started to hurt halfway through. When the Endevour was blowing uo at the end, that was really cool.

I think my favorite part (though a weird one) was when they were sailing under the stars at night, and the whole sky was light up by them.

and about the Green Flash, those do happen, I read about it in a book. you have to be in a certain place, like for the northren lights. I should read that book again and see where they happen....

Almandot

05-28-2007, 09:49 AM

The green flash is usually spotted in Hawaii at sunset, yes.

Zip~a~dee~doo~dah

05-28-2007, 12:12 PM

Hans Zimmer did an excellent job with the soundtrack, I just remembered. Listenging to the track "Parlay" now, it sounds kind of western, as in wild-west-esque. Showdown music. An electronic piece. There was not as much synthesized electronic sound as there was in the second soundtrack, which is good.

As for another thing I remember I liked, the "Up is Down" sequence was great.

xfkirsten

05-28-2007, 05:40 PM

Wholeheartedly agree on the score! I've been listening to it nonstop. My favorites are "What Shall We Die For" and "Up Is Down" - I'm really a sucker for that new "pirate" theme! :smile:

lpetiti

05-28-2007, 05:53 PM

OMG, I just saw the movie and I loved it! I was so sad at the end when Will was killed and the whole ending was so bitter-sweet for me (and if I just spoiled the movie for any of you, I apoligize). I was the only one of my friends who was crying. I mean, Jack was the one who wanted immortality, couldn't he have just stabbed the heart?

Any way, the entire movie was amazing. Sao Feng was the coolest pirate ever! The sets were amazing, the costumes phenominal and the soundtrack was the best ever! I am going to try to find the lyrics to "Hoist the Colours" (I think that is what it is called) so I can annoy my friends until the DVD comes out.

I give this movie two hooks up! Arrrggghhhh!

xfkirsten

05-28-2007, 08:59 PM

Well, it's almost official: Pirates appears to have completely shattered the Memorial Day record! According to BoxOfficeMojo.com, the estimate for this weekend is $142.1 million (plus an additional $14 million from Thursday night), smashing the old Memorial Day record of $122.8 million set last year by X-Men 3. :smile:

Now we see if it has the staying power...

ShrunkenNed

05-29-2007, 09:18 AM

Totally loved the movie, but...you know when Tia Dalma as Calypso grows to giant size? Has anyone seen The Muppet Movie when Animal takes the instant growth pill? I couldn't help thinking about that....makes me laugh.

Executioner

05-29-2007, 11:22 AM

I love the movies. This one was very well produced, shot and edited with a mareful score layed down for it. Although they only bitterness I got from it was the references to the old ride and it made me more angry at Disney for altering that. I left the theatre happy about the movie and bitter towards Disney. Nice SN about the Animal reference and Tia. LOL So true. Hahahaha

SilentMickey

05-29-2007, 02:15 PM

I really liked this movie I. Felt a little sheepish whoen I cheered during the Blackout and nobody else got it but I've accepted my geekeness.
I think the Green flash at the end is because Will is doing what Davy Jones should have done. Which is to say he ferries souls, to and from the after life so the green plash would be him coming back to this world from Purgatory after ten years.

sandmansg6

05-29-2007, 02:25 PM

I love the show....my girlfriend liked it but got a touch lost in parts. The action scenes were amazing but the numerious plots and turns keep you busy.

The best part I thought was after all the backstabbing going on, Jack did what he did for Will and Elizabeth.. that a boy Jack

MayaHJ7

05-29-2007, 03:40 PM

1) My couples: Well it's now 50/50. Well, I've been Jack/Elizabeth since day one (literally) and I think a part of me always will be. However, Norrington/Elizabeth is a great choice too. The kiss was a nice touch, if a bit awkward. Still pissy about Norrington dying. Not necessary. At all. A little annoyed he didn't wimp out and join Davy Jones. That could have brought him back. He could have been a crew member when Will was captain and that would have been nice.

2) I don't want to call this POTC at all. I think I'll call this "Ode to Keira Knightley."

3) Barbossa: Love him. He's so great. I don't think it would have been as good if he wasn't in it! Plus he's really funny in it. I do miss the darker side of him though.

4) Kraken: Huh? That was so anti-climactic. Than the deep and philosophical conversation between Jack and Barbossa that followed? Odd. It seemed a little out of place.

5) The part after them falling off the edge of the world? AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!! LOVED IT! The use of the actual spiel was fabulous! Apart from the Blue Bayou reference in DMC that was my favorite reference.

6) Part that broke my heart the most: freezing Jack the monkey. My heart just broke. I almost couldn't watch it.

7) Land of the dead: Creepy. No other words. It was like Titanic sans the ice.

8) Beckett's death was kind of lame. The CGI of the fire was really bad.

9 ) Does this ring a bell?:

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a396/Maya_girl/Avatars/Movies/Emperors%20New%20Groove/Youresortaconfusingme-jooniper91.gif

(Made by Jooniper91@livejournal)

10) I love and will continue to love the Davy Jones theme. Putting it on a music box? Disney should pull their heads out and make them! I would buy it. To me the whole purpose of the Tia Dalma or Calypso/Davy Jones relationship was to serve as a warning to Elizabeth and Will. Not necessary at all. Oddly enough I found the Calypso/Davy Jones relationship worlds more interesting that Will/Elizabeth.

11) Someone in the theater screamed out "Sons of Scotland!" when Keira started in on her "Be brave and fight" speech. It was pretty funny.

12) The wedding: Is that a wedding really? Killing British officers and the cursed fish men are not in my wedding plans. A wedding should not be the comic relief of a film. A trilogy no less!

13) If Will is technically dead, how could he conceive a child?

14) Beach scene at the end: This is Disney. I didn't think that they would do something that insinuating. Oh well.

15) Costumes. They started out so well. I don't think that they are really great in this movie. The kimonos are lovely, but a little out of place when they are elsewhere.

16) Keith Richards: COOL!!!!!! My favorite part with Captain Teague was when he started playing the guitar (Rolling Stones no less!)

17) The scene where Tia Dalma (Calypso? What should I call her?) is sitting in the cell and is playing her music box and closes it. Then Davy comes in and is playing his music box almost where she stopped hers. Gorgeous. I loved that! For some reason I just found that touching.

Overall I wouldn't say it was that great, but it wasn't bad. It was just your typical Hollywood and popcorn summer movie.

Hugs and peaches,

Maya :)

xfkirsten

05-29-2007, 03:44 PM

Okay, what Stones song was Keith Richards playing on the guitar? It's on the tip of my tongue and I can't remember, but it's driving me nuts!

Executioner

05-29-2007, 04:11 PM

I thought that was a little out of place when they had him play the guitar. Kinda campy or cheesy. But he did snap the strings signifying his discontent with their statements quieting them.

linklewtt

05-29-2007, 04:58 PM

eh...it was just ok. the writers made the plot way too complicated and Tia Dalma dissappointed me. I thought I would like her, but I didn't.

I like what happened to Will and Elizabeth. It's sad that he has to roam the seas and everything, but in a way it's cool he's the new Davy Jones.

As for Keith Richards' cameo...dissappointing as well. He did not embody Jack Sparrow to me and was very reserved and not, well, Jack-ish. And him being on one of the ships towards the end? Made no sense...come to think of it, the Pirate Lords being there at all made no sense. THEY DID NOTHIN!

FantasmicFan89

05-29-2007, 05:39 PM

As for Keith Richards' cameo...dissappointing as well. He did not embody Jack Sparrow to me and was very reserved and not, well, Jack-ish. And him being on one of the ships towards the end? Made no sense...come to think of it, the Pirate Lords being there at all made no sense. THEY DID NOTHIN!

I think that was the point, Richards played Jack's father who was this great pirate lord that was a role model for the younger pirates. Growing up with a father like that, he sort of put pressure on himself to be just as great, which is why we have our crazy/ insane over the top Jack Sparrow. He is always trying to find his own glory to be just as great as his father. As for the pirate lords doing nothing, they didn't have to, The Black Pearl duked it out with The Flying Dutchman, the entire British fleet as well as the pirates lords were left to only be observers. Once Will became captain of The Flying Dutchman, and alongside The Black Pearl, they were unstoppable.

The more I discuss this movie with everyone, the more it grows on me. However, there are still many parts of it that totally disgusted me (Elizabeth King of Pirates?!?!?)

-FF89

Almandot

05-29-2007, 05:48 PM

Callypso brought on a storm that turned the battle into a one on one with the black pearl vs. the flying dutchman. Once Davy Jones was killed the storm cleared allowing everyone else to see what was going on, and leading to the cool team up scene.

xfkirsten

05-29-2007, 07:25 PM

Okay... I'm just wondering if I'm slow and everyone else has already figured this out... but does the chorus of "Hoist the Colors" the kid sings at the beginning refer to Calypso?

"The king and his men
Stole the queen from her bed
And bound her in her (??)
The seas be ours
And fight the powers
Where we will, we'll roam."

Figfriend

05-29-2007, 10:01 PM

Almandot

05-29-2007, 10:14 PM

I caught that reference too! I believe the kid says they "bound her in her bones", restating that the first Brethren Court, with the help of Davy Jones, bound Calypso in human form as Tia Dalma.

I've seen the movie three times and loved it. A little complicated, but after watching it a few times and discussing it with others, I've learned a lot more information that I had previously picked up. I'm listening to the soundtrack right now and it is amazing as well!

bound her in her bones is correct and the second verse goes

Some men have died
and some are alive
and others sail on the sea
with the keys to the cage
and the Devil to pay
we lay to Fiddler's Green

Jen-Ness

05-30-2007, 09:10 PM

I can't wait to see it a third time this weekend!!!

FantasmicFan89

05-30-2007, 10:59 PM

I really want to see it again, but it will probably have to wait until next weekend after I graduate. :smile:

lpetiti

06-21-2007, 12:27 PM

During the entire malestrom sequence I was squeezing my friends hand so hard she said I cut off the circulation in her hand. I have to see it again because I was so shocked when Will was on the verge of being stabbed (this was before he was actually stabbed) I closed my eyes, missing the part where he actually gets stabbed and everything from that until Will and Elizabeth, um, "say goodbye" (which I thought was really romantic, and apparently I am the only one out of my friends who thought so).

tomserwin

06-22-2007, 02:49 PM

^ In the scene where Will and Elizabeth, as Ipetiti put it, "say goodbye," Kiera Knightly has a leg double. She thought her feet were to ugly for the scene so she got a foot/leg double.

Chernabog40

06-22-2007, 03:33 PM

princesschloe777

06-22-2007, 07:08 PM

When I saw it for the third time, a friend of mine said (while we were sitting through the credits) that the Davy Jones-Calypso storyline was based on an opera, in which the character that inspired Davy Jones would have been "freed" had the Calypso equivalent been faithful to him for all ten years. So, when we saw the ending with the flash of green light, I interpreted that as meaning that Elizabeth's faithfulness to Will (that is, if she was faithful) can turn him back to a mortal human, thus the flash of green light; his soul is returning. Did anyone else think that, or am I way too out there?

You totally nailed it Chernabog40! I mean I don't think I could put it any better. I guess if that is the final one, which I hope is not! But if indeed it is, at least they need to kinda explain the whole thing with Davy Jones and Calypso and how he became apart of the sea a bit better. I saw it the day it came out, and didn't understand it. Although after reading about on VF, I understood. So I guess on a good note, Will ends up with Elizabeth and Will III, I mean come on she must have remained faithful if they have a kid together. I will cry if they don't do another one, they left it WIDE OPEN, for a 4th one. Right? Also after reading posts, about it I would think so. I am almost positive that I am seeing it with my parents tomorrow night, and I will tell what I think. About the ending, I can't wait to see it, since we left before that. So can't wait to see it!

Palm Desert Babe

06-22-2007, 07:09 PM

I just got back from seeing it like half an hour ago. It's awesome.

My favorite part is when that one pirate lord stands up and starts saying "and so, we shall go to war" in a really high voice. And when Orlando has his bandana and earing on. Oooo la la......

Disneyluvr2

06-22-2007, 10:09 PM

^That is too funny! The part where the pirate lord says "And so, we shall go to war" has stuck in my head! I go around the house saying it and it cracks my husband up! I've even got my neighbor saying it now too!

princesschloe777

06-24-2007, 01:38 PM

Okay, totally saw it last night. Caution this post contains spoilers!

So I totally cried, I mean I was in tears holding my dad's hand so tight when Will was stabbed. I was crying hard, I think what made me cry was knowing what was going to happen, that was what effected me the most. I told everyone in our group about the ending, we have to wait. And than I kept telling them and my Mom got pretty upset with me, waiting for at least 10 minutes to see that end part WAS TOTALLY WORTH IT! I am so happy, that made the movie even better for me to see that part. I love Pirates, and I can't wait to see it again 3 time is the charm right? So I am totally happy and can't wait to see it 3 times and get it on DVD! I love Orlando Bloom so much, so it really hit me hard. More hard than when I saw it the first time. Now I am really happy, and now I totally Love THE THIRD ONE! Not seeing that end part really made me not like the movie, so seeing made me happy and LOVE IT!

Reeder113

06-25-2007, 08:19 AM

I'm gonna have to say this third installment was my least favorite of the 3. I loved the first 2, but this one just got a little too wierd for me. Its like they were trying SSOOOOO hard to come up with an original idea (which they did) that they went overboard with everything. I thought the part where Calypso becomes this gigantic woman on the ship was laughable! And I understand that Jack was going crazy in Davy Jones' locker, but it got a little too wierd for me....especially the miniature Jack Sparrows that whispered into his ear. They also portrayed Davy Jones as a goofball. I thought he was much more intimidating in Dead Man's Chest. However, there were some great parts in the movie. I loved where they were sailing to "World's End" to fetch back Jack (The frozen scene, the waterfall scene, etc.). I also loved (of course) the whirlpool scene towards the end. But something that didn't make any sense to me was when the Pearl and the Dutchman came up on each side of Lord Beckett's ship and blew it to pieces.......Beckett's ship had about a thousand cannons on each side, so why didn't he fight back?! Maybe I missed something but it seemed unreasonable to me. The pirate lords were a joke. I was hoping for some pirates like Barbossa and his crew in the first one. They were dirty, rotten gents and thats exactly how the pirate lords should have been. But they were just a goofy bunch. And I was kind of hoping for a battle between all the pirates and the British. Oh well. Anyway, thats just my two cents. I still loved the movie, just not near as much as the first two.

princesschloe777

06-25-2007, 10:17 AM

^ TO answer one of your questions, the scene where The Black Pearl and The FLying Dutchman were on both sides of Lord Beckett's ship. When they came up and starting shooting did you see Beckett's face, he was shocked. He had thought that he was the one that was going to brake their accord. So to find out that both of them had betrayled. I say he was in full shock of what had just happened, he couldn't believe it. Also about Davy Jones, in this movie they are trying to portray him as kinda like a love sick puppy. They are explaining Davy Jones and Calypso, their love and what happened to that. And because of that affair what become of both of them. I hope that makes it a bit more clear for you Reeder113. If not post more, and I would happy to answer anymore questions you have concerning POTC 3!

Reeder113

06-25-2007, 10:46 AM

Don't get me wrong, princesschloe....The Pirates series is one of my favorite set of movies to watch. But Beckett's shock still doesn't explain why they didn't even fire a single shot back at the Pearl and the Dutchman. I know that Beckett was the man in charge on the ship, but the crewmen still would have fired back once they realized they were going down anyway. But anyway, I don't really care so much about that part, it was still a great scene. I just feel like the movie didn't really fit with the other two. It was kind of like Harry Potter 4 for me.....it just didn't feel like it was part of the rest. I DO like, however, how "At World's End" ended. I like that it kind of brought back the feeling of the first movie where Jack is sailing away in a small boat and Barbossa is once again captain of the Pearl. And I like how Gibbs was drunk and they were back on Tortuga. It really made me want to go back and watch the first movie again, which is probably what they intended. I work in the entertainment industry, and I just feel that they took the wrong approach to the finale in some cases. I had my own idea of how it should have played out, and the way THEY did a lot of the scenes is exactly how I WOULDN'T have played it out.

LittleMaleficent

06-25-2007, 10:47 AM

Just in case everyone didnt notice previous comments made on this thread, it has been confirmed by the writers, on various online blogs and communities, that the end was supposed to signal the permanent return of Will to the world of the living, due to Elizabeth's faithfullness. They also state that there is supposed to be a missing scene from the movie in which Tia Dalma and Jones have a conversation to this effect.

Apparently they just wanted to confuse everyone. :o)

I know quite a few people that were pissed when they saw the movie and changed their minds when they heard what the ending was supposed to represent. :)

princesschloe777

06-25-2007, 10:55 AM

When I finally waited and was able to see the ending after the credits, I was so happy. I really loved the movie even more, I felt if this the last movie which I hope is not, than I guess they ended it pretty good. When I saw it the day it came out there were so many things, that I didn't understand, but by seeing it again than I remembered things. Before I see it a third time, I am going to rewatch the other 2 so I can really understand it, like ALL THE WAy. Also to add you post above^, I think that when you first see it is a bit hard to understand the connection between DAVY JONES and Calypso, but tell your friends if they see it again, it will make a lot more sense. I know that is how I felt after seeing it again!

kiaovau

07-02-2007, 12:34 AM

I loved the movie but i wanted Davy Jones and Tia Dalma to have a happy ending

tomserwin

07-02-2007, 12:45 AM

^ Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

I think it would have been great if Tia Dalma killed Jones, just for the heck of it.

Maleficent's Lover

07-02-2007, 12:36 PM

Why would Tia Dalma kill Davy Jones??? He did nothing wrong... haha

just because?? Kinda scary, you are to me... haha jk

FantasmicFan89

07-02-2007, 04:38 PM

^ He broke her heart. He thought she went and messed around behind his back and got pissed, then dumped her. So then she really did start fooling around with other guys, but really still only cared about him. Then, she tried telling him that, but didn't believe her an thats why he left her in the brig of the Flying Dutchman.

Maleficent's Lover

07-02-2007, 08:00 PM

I thought he only thought that cause she was not there to see his return to land after his 10 years. Wasnt she not there? I was under the impression only after she didnt show up, he got mad..

princesschloe777

07-02-2007, 08:19 PM

tomserwin

07-02-2007, 09:45 PM

I thought the reason she didn't show up was because she was with Captain Jack, from what I have heard and from the movie they had a little fling going on. So I take it, it must have happened while Jones was away on his 10 year leave?

Here's my unlikely theory...

Considering the hygene and health of people in the movies, I would say Jack would probably have a lot os STD's. Maybe Tia Dalma got a VD (somewhere in here is a joke about crabs) from Jack, which made her sick, which meant she missed her opportunity to see Jones! But since she is a goddess, she doesn't die from the disease. This theroy seems about as logical as the rest of the movie...

Maleficent's Lover

07-03-2007, 09:48 AM

I thought the reason she didn't show up was because she was with Captain Jack, from what I have heard and from the movie they had a little fling going on. So I take it, it must have happened while Jones was away on his 10 year leave?

That is what my take on the heartbreak is... Tia Dalma broke Davy Jones' heart. So, he stop guiding the dead ones to the other world, and became what he is today... well, was...

lpetiti

07-05-2007, 06:16 PM

I went and saw the movie again and I think I figured out who was the fourth person who tried to kill Jack was. Remember when Jack is talking to all of the people he thinks is a hulluciation, he comes across Tia Dalma and she says "Jack, you tellin' me you did not enjoy it at the time". While she could be reffering to something else, it is more likely than not that she was refferiing to a time she almost killed him.

Davy Jones fan

07-05-2007, 06:41 PM

princesschloe777

07-08-2007, 02:24 PM

One thing in particular that stuck out to me was the scene in which Davy Jones kills Mr. Mercer. At the same time, that was cool and disturbing. That is also the weirdest death I have ever seen in a movie. Does anyone agree with me on this?

Davy Jones fan, I need a quick refresher please. How exactly did Davy Jones kill Mr. Mercer, he was the one sent by Beckett to make sure Davy Jones followed his command right? I am trying to think but I just can't remember?:icon_ques

Jen-Ness

07-08-2007, 04:22 PM

Was that the guy that Davey shoved his tentacles up his nose and around his neck?

princesschloe777

07-08-2007, 05:21 PM

Oh. Maybe. Hold on just a sec Jen-Ness and I will check.

princesschloe777

07-08-2007, 05:24 PM

Alright, yep Mercer is the man that Davy Jones killes with this tentacles. I agree with you Davy Jones fan, that was a very interesting way to die. I was jus thinking, very interesting that he was the only one that Jones did that to. Must have mad him more mad than he was for him to get killed like that!

Davy Jones fan

07-08-2007, 06:44 PM

I totally agree with you princesschole777. As I said before, Mercer's death is by far the weirdest death I have ever seen in a movie. I also forgot to mention that I loved At World's End. It was an excellent movie. I personally thought that Davy Jones had a lot more lines and screen time this time around. He also had a very nice fight scene with Jack if I do say so my self.

Some of my favorite scenes though were when Davy Jones met with Calypso and at some point tried to get his claw out of the cell bar and when Beckett and Will have tea together and Davy Jones comes in and tells them about Calypso. I gotta tell ya, those scenes were priceless in my opinion.

FantasmicFan89

07-08-2007, 09:55 PM

^ I forget how does Mercer die? I do remember it being weird though.

-FF89

Davy Jones fan

07-09-2007, 12:57 PM

I will gladly answer your question FF89. After a cannon blast from the Pearl hits the Dutchman, many of Mercer's men are blasted into the whirlpool. This gives Davy Jones a chance to to kill Mercer, get back the key, and take back control of his own ship. Jones grabs Mercer and his tentacles spread over his face and then the tentacles go inside his mouth and nose therefore killing him.
(Don't ask I don't how it works either, but it does). If you have any other questions I will be happy to answer them.

tomserwin

07-09-2007, 01:31 PM

^His tentacles cut off his air flow, effectively suffocating him.

At least, that's my theory.

princesschloe777

07-09-2007, 01:59 PM

^His tentacles cut off his air flow, effectively suffocating him.

At least, that's my theory.

BUBBLEBEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

but yeah Davy Jones Fan, covered it all, interesting way to die but like he said none the less it worked out. When I saw the beginning, I was glad they cut the scene, I started getting antsy when seeing him do that. I was like WHOA, WHOA! Okay, back to the fighting sequence

tomserwin

07-09-2007, 02:05 PM

Heck yeah!!!

princesschloe777

07-09-2007, 02:12 PM

:)
Do you see POTC 3 again!

lpetiti

07-11-2007, 03:58 PM

Yeah, I remember just laughing hysterically when Will was drinking tea in Beckett's office because that just looked soooooo unatural.

Optimus Prime

07-11-2007, 08:08 PM

I'm sorry but you humans have an akward sense of judgement with regard to entertainment. I found the motion picture to be unengaging and
Plot holes big enough to drive through.
(Indeed, that is from the eloquent "Executioner," who obviously disdained my hard work and sacrifice, along with all of that of the Autobots' as well as Sam.) Personally I find it disgusting that people can gush over Johnny Depp, and Orlando Bloom cavorting around amongst fantasy squid men and voodoo gods, and then insult the hard work and dedication of other, truer tales of heroism. You humans can keep your primitve forms of amusement about pirates and voodoo, while I "steer clear" of such worthless diversions.