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Originally Posted by magoo2525
But what I said was that people want TWO THINGS!!!! NOT JUST CHARACTERS!! They want CHARACTERS AND ATTRACTIONS!!! |
What people want is immersion. Characters walking around that you can touch, feel, hug, take a photo with, wave at, etc works wonders in creating immersion. Suddenly you're not watching them on a TV screen or a book's page, you're now interacting with them yourself. Same goes for attractions. Suddenly now you're in the adventure that you were merely watching on a TV or movie screen, or in a book.
That immersion is what people are looking for, but it will only go as far as how good your story is. That is where DCA fails the most. Its themes, while not completely ludicrious, are weak. They are weak in their substance. They are weak in their presentation. They are weak in their immersion. People do not feel anywhere close to as immersed in DCA as they do in Disneyland.
Does that mean the CA theme fails? No. The idea isn't a failure. If the substance, presentation and overall immersion of the CA themes are improved, then DCA will do fine.
Sure characters & attractions are ingredients of immersion, but they aren't the whole receipe. And even once all the ingredients are together, they still must be mixed together properly to ensure the correct outcome. That's what we have to watch for in this coming project. Are they adding the correct ingredients? Are they mixing it properly to ensure the desired immersion? Only time will tell that.
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Originally Posted by magoo2525
And if you want to talk about facts...
People are not going to DCA for much beyond Soarin', Screamin', GRR, and TOT! Otherwise, the park would be shoulder to shoulder like DL is! (FACT)
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Not sure what you mean here. Otherwise, what?
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An old  ride that you used to be able to get on in a matter of minutes, now can take up to TWO HOURS to ride because they added a clownfish named Nemo! (FACT)
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Not quite. In the middle of the day, the line for the Sub Voyage used to take a good long while due to small capacity. Today, it still takes a good long while, because of the small capacity. And in the case of the Subs, even now the lines are more due to the fact the Subs are the 'new ride' and people always want to do what's new over anything else. It'll take a good year before that cycles itself out.
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Originally Posted by magoo2525
I'm not so sure that Radiator Springs is a steer off course. It's an entirely new area with a "theme" that the attractions will be in line with. People like the characters from CARS. My intention was to repeat an earlier comment I made about how in the beginning, DCA had NO characters at all! And people were turned off to the fact that DCA had little to do with what was considered "Disney".
I do believe though, that New Attractions need to be placed in DCA that are exclusive to only that park! I'm afraid that the Radiator Springs Racers in Radiator Springs will be a knock-off of the Test Track at WDW!
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Yeah it will be similar to Test Track, but there aren't a lot of people who visit Disneyland who're even aware of what Test Track is or that it exists. The vast majority of people who visit Disneyland walk in and have no idea of what they're going to find. They only learn about things like FastPass or PhotoPass or what's new/different from their last visit by actually visiting the park itself.
These are the people the marketing is directed at, because the marketing is the only way those people know about what's going on. When Cars Land does open, that marketing won't make any mention of Test Track at all. Radiator Springs Racers won't have an original system, but 75% of its riders won't realize it.
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Originally Posted by Pinocchio85
DCA had characters from Day 1 and what's considered "Disney" does not necessarily equal characters.
It's not that people didn't care about the California theme. It's about Disney not caring about anything but marketing their characters. It's obvious that they don't care about themes anymore.
If people didn't care about the California theme then why is Disney enhancing the California theming in some areas of the park?
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This is what I'm talking about about mixing the ingredients together to achieve the desired outcome. It's not easy. Characters, attractions, themeing, ambience, it all has to be there in the proper quantites and interwoven in a certain way. Otherwise, it won't come out right. What people call the 'Disney magic' is what happens when those ingredients are successfully brought together to create an immersive experience that parents & children can enjoy together.
That's what they're after with this project. So you'll see some theme-enhancements here, some new attractions there, some increased character exposure here & there, etc. The goal is immersion.
DCA didn't get it right at all at first, and hasn't gotten it right since. I'd love to believe they're going to get it right this time, but so far I've read/seen nothing to make me believe that hardly anything has changed. I fear they still don't get it, and this time they're going to blow $1 Billion not getting it.
-- PMM
